A call to boycott Nvidia games for ATI/AMD owners

[SlowSpyder]

I don't mind games being optimized for one brand, but I do not care for crippling.

Oh, and, this thread will not end well. 🙂

 

[Red Storm]

That Civ 5 bench is certainly interesting considering 7 AMD cards scored either 34 or 32 FPS. I dunno if that speaks of any foul play though. I honestly blame the developers first, it's almost always a lazy job on their part.

 

[Voo]

They run equally well on both vendors, but few TWIMTBP titles favor Nvidia cards. F1 2010 is an exception though.

No actually Nvidia cards win quite often in Dirt2 (i.e. a 480 being just as good as a 5970). And you didn't answer my question, on what do you base your theory? Seems like you grasp that quite out of thin air.

 

[Firestorm007]

Cue the Witches! Benches or not; real world gameplay dictates something far different. I don't think that you'll find any tangible differences when it comes to actually gaming yourself. Like I said, most of those games run great on my AMD 5870.

 

[DaveSimmons]

No.

Nvidia winning a benchmark does not mean the developer accepted a suitcase full of cash to kneecap ATI cards. The same is true when ATI wins one. Only if Intel HD wins can you be sure cash and/or strippers were involved.

Nvidia may have strong-armed developers on one game (Batman AA?) to block their extensions to the Unreal engine from running on ATI cards, which isn't nice but is far different from saying "you must make ATI run 10 fps slower"

 

[busydude]

And you didn't answer my question, on what do you base your theory? Seems like you grasp that quite out of thin air.

Obviously its grasped out of this air. It all anecdotal evidence. TWIMTBP games obviously favor Nvidia cards.. and Gaming Evolved titles are not 'crippled' on Nvidia's to the extent Nvidia cripples TWIMTBP on AMD's cards.

 

[tviceman]

While the corporations have the right to tweak their products as much they want, the end user has the right to decide what he buys or not.

This is an incomplete list of companies/games that not only exploit the Nvidia strengths but also cripple the ATI/AMD cards on purpose.

Ubisoft - Assassin's Creed
HAWX1&2
Capcom - Lost Planet 2
EA Digital Illusions
- Battlefield: Bad Company 2
- NFS
4A Games - Metro 2033
Digital Extremes - BioShock 2
Capcom - Lost Planet 2
Cryptic Studios - Star Trek Online

Look at this bench:
http://i.imgur.com/S2GTL.png
It's ludicrous

Stop buying their products, period.

Bioshock 2 runs at 150-200fps with high end hardware from either company. Performance differences do no matter with this game.

Metro2033 runs great on AMD's 6800/6900 cards, probably at higher fps/dollar than Nvidia cards. But lets still boycott anyways just because you said so.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 ran better on AMD's hd5800 series than Nvidia's 400 series when Nvidia's cards first came out, but since driver revisions improved performance and the 500 series improved performance more, I guess that must mean Nvidia somehow cheated the game to run worse on AMD hardware at some point after the game was released.

Lost Planet 2 and Hawx 2 exploit tessellation to a large degree. Even though it's been proven that Nvidia cards scale significantly better with large amounts of tessellation, hurray for your analysis.

You listed Lost Planet 2 twice and nobody plays Star Trek Online or Assassin's Creed so that leaves..... nothing. There are no more games left that you listed with a legitimate reason to boycott. Great boycott.

 

[nemesismk2]

you will be missing out on a load of great games because of a benchmark?

 

[Voo]

Obviously its grasped out of this air. It all anecdotal evidence. TWIMTBP games obviously favor Nvidia cards.. and Gaming Evolved titles are not 'crippled' on Nvidia's to the extent Nvidia cripples TWIMTBP on AMD's cards.

So let's see. Crysis Warhead = TWIMPTBP game.. and AMD cards compare quite favorably there.

But I'm sure some counterexample won't help with conspiracy theorists - just make sure the tin foil is sitting good.

 

[Wreckage]

How about we boycott AMD cards because of poor performance in these games?

Other than some extra FPS and maybe Physx/CUDA effects. I assume people are playing and enjoying these games on AMD cards. So I will just file this as YADT (yet another drama thread).

 

[tviceman]

How about we boycott AMD cards because of poor performance in these games?

LMAO nice.

 

[mosox]

Wow, it seems that the Nvidia Focus Group members are busy today. Can anyone explain the bench I posted or not?


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[busydude]

So let's see. Crysis Warhead = TWIMPTBP game.. and AMD cards compare quite favorably there. But I'm sure some counterexample won't help with conspiracy theorists - just make sure the tin foil is sitting good.

See.. I told you its all anecdotal evidence. These arguments go on forever cos.. there is no way one can prove X is crippling Y.

 

[Firestorm007]

Wow, it seems that the Nvidia Focus Group members are busy today. Can anyone explain the bench I posted or not?

Dude! I am most certainly not a focus group member and would be the first to call out sleezy antics, but you're way out in left field here. A lot of the members in this thread own AMD cards. Put down the pitchfork and torch and let the monster go......

 

[Voo]

See.. I told you its all anecdotal evidence. These arguments go on forever cos.. there is no way one can prove X is crippling Y.

Just think one second about what exactly you're claiming here: You're saying that Nvidia is paying off half the gaming industry and nobody is noticing or saying anything. We're talking about thousands of people here - it's just illusive to think that would stay unnoticed for years.

@mosox: If you start explaining why ATI cards win in crysis warhead, sure. I mean it's not as if there are dozens of legitime reasons why one card is better than the other.. goodness fanboyism at it's best :/

 

[Bearach]

Wow, it seems that the Nvidia Focus Group members are busy today. Can anyone explain the bench I posted or not?

I honestly don't know, the Civilizations benchmark seems weird, but the best course of action would be to find the underlying reason. It could be anything, and boycotting a game is not the right way, and it's a little dramatic.

If I like the game and it's still playable then who cares I'll still buy it, benchmarks are just for people to validate themselves and for bragging rights.

 

[dpodblood]

Indeed. I buy based on price/performance. I have no brand preferences one way or the other.

 

[kami]

Where's the evidence that they're crippling AMD cards?

nVidia probably just spends more money on developer relations, or the engines in said games were developed primarily on nvidia hardware.

You're going to need more than conspiracy theories to prove this.

 

[mosox]

Is that game CPU limited? No, it's not. Is that game GPU limited? No, it's not. You can't explain a GX 460/768 being better than a HD 5870. You can't explain a GTX 560 being better than a HD 5970, that's ludicrous.

Come on, we're smarter than that no matter what the Nvidia shills are posting.


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[Yellowbeard]

Most gaming benchmarks prove NOTHING anyway. Actual game play FTW.

 

[busydude]

Just think one second about what exactly you're claiming here: You're saying that Nvidia is paying off half the gaming industry and nobody is noticing or saying anything. We're talking about thousands of people here - it's just illusive to think that would stay unnoticed for years.

Now you are just putting words in my mouth.

I am sorry, but your list is total BS.. BF:BC2 .. CIV 5 are AMD gaming evolved titles. The only games I can see is HAWX 2 and LP2.. which are crappy games to begin with.

 

[Voo]

Now you are just putting words in my mouth.

Ah yeah sorry, mixed you up with the OT.

 

[nemesismk2]

That Civ 5 bench is certainly interesting considering 7 AMD cards scored either 34 or 32 FPS. I dunno if that speaks of any foul play though. I honestly blame the developers first, it's almost always a lazy job on their part.

I blame them too because those 7 AMD video cards should of been able to give more than 34fps 🙁

 

[erikistired]

Wow, it seems that the Nvidia Focus Group members are busy today. Can anyone explain the bench I posted or not?

i'm not a focus group member. i'm running an ati 4850 still @ 1680x1050 resolution. i have yet to find a game i can't play at some acceptable level. they probably run better on other cards, ATI/AMD and nvidia, but i don't care because they run fine on what i have.

 

[96Firebird]

Haha... Good luck with this. :thumbsup: