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News Intel Bartlett Lake-S: up to 12P-Core or up to 8P-Core +16E-core

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511 said:
No it's the MB manufacturer supporting it
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I am ready to do the shut up and take my money for the 5.7GHz 12 core. MSI has to provide support for my board of course. And it needs to ship from within the U.S.
 
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ToTTenTranz said:
Could it be that Intel saw an opportunity to gain some DIY marketshare through DDR4 owners looking to upgrade?
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That could be interesting for DDR4-havers. People are still going to want proof that these chips can run Raptor Lake-like speeds without degradation. If that problem has been fixed (or maybe if the clocks/volts are low enough) then maybe Intel could get some sales. But at least for now, it doesn't look like Bartlett Lake is targeted at that market. Yet.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
I am ready to do the shut up and take my money for the 5.7GHz 12 core. MSI has to provide support for my board of course. And it needs to ship from within the U.S.
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I was awfully close to buying a 14900K + Z790 so I could take advantage of my 4x32GB DDR4 sticks with a noticeable upgrade from the 5900X.

But then.. all the Z790 DDR4 were gone within a week. I could still get a B760 but I'd lose a bunch of features like decent amount of M.2 drives. As nowadays I can probably sell the 128GB DDR4 for the cost of a 64GB DDR5 kit, I'm going with that + 9950X3D instead.


But had I found a decent Z790 DDR4 motherboard, I too would be trying to get this 12*P model to work with it.
 
ToTTenTranz said:
But had I found a decent Z790 DDR4 motherboard, I too would be trying to get this 12*P model to work with it.
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I was fortunate enough to pick up a 12600kf - MSI Z790 - 4x8GB DDR4 4000 combo here in the forums for a killer price a few months back. Bartlett is the only upgrade I am interested in for the platform. My gut tells me it will make it to DIY. But it will be AliExpress trays with modded bios for the boards. Too adventurous for me; I no longer enjoy that niche of the hobby. I like things as close to throw and go as possible.

If it shows up retail, fully supported, and is not stupid expensive, I'm in for one. A lot to ask in the present market.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
My gut tells me it will make it to DIY. But it will be AliExpress trays with modded bios for the boards. Too adventurous for me; I no longer enjoy that niche of the hobby. I like things as close to throw and go as possible.

If it shows up retail, fully supported, and is not stupid expensive, I'm in for one. A lot to ask in the present market.
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You can usually find Intel's edge CPUs in server-focused stores.

www.wiredzone.com

Intel CM8071505103723 Core 7 251E 2.1GHz 24-Core Processor - Bartlett Lake

Intel Core 7 251E Processor With Clock Speed Of 2.1Ghz, Features 24-Core With 32 Threads, CPU Socket: FCLGA1700, System Level Cache: 36 MB Intel Smart Cache. Performance At 65W - For UP Systems, CM8071505103723 Processors (Series 2) - OEM, Tray
www.wiredzone.com www.wiredzone.com

Just don't count on them being very cheap, as server hardware usually has higher margins.
 
At Mouser, the 125W 12c/24t SKU costs equivalent of $734 without VAT.
Or, $6470 for a pack of ten pieces.

Intel's not going to sell them as "cheap gaming option", definitely not cheaper than the relevant 14th gen Core processors, if they can help it.
 
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Jan Olšan said:
At Mouser, the 125W 12c/24t SKU costs equivalent of $734 without VAT.
Or, $6470 for a pack of ten pieces.

Intel's not going to sell them as "cheap gaming option", definitely not cheaper than the relevant 14th gen Core processors, if they can help it.
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Who cares at this point. Just let them work on consumer mobos and I will pay a premium for them. Industrial mobos suck besides just cost. They have gimped features and a bunch f junk that gets in way of gaming.

Just enable it on consumer enthusiasts mid to highest end mobos please.
 
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It would be nice to see benchmarks come out, but I have a feeling these are not the CPU's people think they want. If for no other reason than being locked at 125W across 12 P-cores.
 
Thunder 57 said:
It would be nice to see benchmarks come out, but I have a feeling these are not the CPU's people think they want. If for no other reason than being locked at 125W across 12 P-cores.
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Careful, it's processor base power. That's usually closer to reality for embedded parts. But I caution against guessing what power limits will actually be set by each board based on that and it isn't (yet) specified on Intel's site.
 
Thunder 57 said:
It would be nice to see benchmarks come out, but I have a feeling these are not the CPU's people think they want.
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For performance, Intel claims the Core 9 273PE — 12 cores and 65W TDP — offers up to 4.4x lower max PCIe latency, 2.5x more deterministic response time, and 3.8x better deterministic performance compared to the Ryzen 7 9700X, which is also available in an embedded version.
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gdansk said:
Careful, it's processor base power. That's usually closer to reality for embedded parts. But I caution against guessing what power limits will actually be set by each board based on that and it isn't (yet) specified on Intel's site.
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The public datasheet for Bartlett Lake is essentially MIA. Is rather backwards considering than Alder Lake and Raptor Lake were available at around launch.
There is a massive one that combines 13th/14th and other spinoffs, including some mobile Core Series 2, but doesn't includes Bartlett Lake-S / Core Series 2.
 
zir_blazer said:
The public datasheet for Bartlett Lake is essentially MIA. Is rather backwards considering than Alder Lake and Raptor Lake were available at around launch.
There is a massive one that combines 13th/14th and other spinoffs, including some mobile Core Series 2, but doesn't includes Bartlett Lake-S / Core Series 2.
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What do you mean by MIA?
 
Wolverine2349 said:
What do you mean by MIA?
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Missing in Action. It should be out because Processors launched, but it is nowhere to be found.

This one was available at about 13th gen Raptor Lake launch and was updated numerous times:
www.intel.com

13th Generation Intel® Core™, Intel® Core™ 14th Generation, Intel® Core™ Processor (Series 1) and (Series 2), and Intel® Xeon™ E 2400 Processor Datasheet, Volume 1 of 2

This describes all publicly disclosed specifications including electrical characteristics, mechanical, and component functionality, a list of major features, a functional description, and an architectural overview.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

No public Bartlett Lake-S equivalent has been released.
 
Datasheet for the entire Bartlett Lake-S family is out: https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...2-processor-for-edge-platforms-datasheet.html

What I got from it:

New CPUIDs (H0/C0 are different in 12th gen and 13/14th gen)
H0 0xB06F6 Alder Lake 6P
C0 0xB06F7 Alder Lake 8P 8E (8P + 8E and one 6P + 4E version)
C0 0xB06F3 Alder Lake 8P 8E (The other 6P + 4E version, no idea why two)
B0 0xB0674 Raptor Lake 8P 16E
A0 0xD0670 Bartlett Lake 12P

The 45W and 65W 12P Bartletts Lake have PL1 = nominal TDP and PL2 = 219W, like in previous gens. The oddity is that the 125W 12P uses PL1=253W, which means than the default PL1 is equivalent to the Extreme Config in 13900K/14900K that used PL1=PL2 (The normal one was PL1=125W).
ICCMax base/perf are 280A/228A for the 125W model, down from 13900K/14900K 307A and 400A in Extreme Config.
Datasheet doesn't seem to mention any AC_LL value or range, says Refer to the Power Design Guide instead whereas previously it was from 0 to 1.7 mOhms. Seems Intel realized that everyone was doing it wrong...

Regarding the Chipset, it merely mentions that it is part of a 2 chip platform with the 600 series PCH but no specific SKU, yet has an interesing annendum at the end that claims that now you can use all 3 Ethernet MACs from the Chipset simultaneously as 2x 2.5G and 1x 1G, whereas on the previous 600 series Chipset Datasheet says this...
www.intel.com

Intel® 600 Series Chipset Family Platform Controller Hub (PCH) Datasheet, Volume 1 of 2

This describes all publicly disclosed specifications including electrical characteristics, mechanical, and component functionality, a list of major features, a functional description, and an architectural overview.
www.intel.com www.intel.com
Up to three GbE Lanes
A maximum of one GbE Port can be enabled
 
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zir_blazer said:
Datasheet for the entire Bartlett Lake-S family is out: https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...2-processor-for-edge-platforms-datasheet.html

What I got from it:

New CPUIDs (H0/C0 are different in 12th gen and 13/14th gen)
H0 0xB06F6 Alder Lake 6P
C0 0xB06F7 Alder Lake 8P 8E (8P + 8E and one 6P + 4E version)
C0 0xB06F3 Alder Lake 8P 8E (The other 6P + 4E version, no idea why two)
B0 0xB0674 Raptor Lake 8P 16E
A0 0xD0670 Bartlett Lake 12P

The 45W and 65W 12P Bartletts Lake have PL1 = nominal TDP and PL2 = 219W, like in previous gens. The oddity is that the 125W 12P uses PL1=253W, which means than the default PL1 is equivalent to the Extreme Config in 13900K/14900K that used PL1=PL2 (The normal one was PL1=125W).
ICCMax base/perf are 280A/228A for the 125W model, down from 13900K/14900K 307A and 400A in Extreme Config.
Datasheet doesn't seem to mention any AC_LL value or range, says Refer to the Power Design Guide instead whereas previously it was from 0 to 1.7 mOhms. Seems Intel realized that everyone was doing it wrong...

Regarding the Chipset, it merely mentions that it is part of a 2 chip platform with the 600 series PCH but no specific SKU, yet has an interesing annendum at the end that claims that now you can use all 3 Ethernet MACs from the Chipset simultaneously as 2x 2.5G and 1x 1G, whereas on the previous 600 series Chipset Datasheet says this...
www.intel.com

Intel® 600 Series Chipset Family Platform Controller Hub (PCH) Datasheet, Volume 1 of 2

This describes all publicly disclosed specifications including electrical characteristics, mechanical, and component functionality, a list of major features, a functional description, and an architectural overview.
www.intel.com www.intel.com
Up to three GbE Lanes
A maximum of one GbE Port can be enabled
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Does that m,ean PCIe lanes are restricted on these and you do not get 16 Gen 5 lanes and 4 Gen 4 lanes form CPU. LAN ports being retsricted seems wierds. LAN ports are usually on chipset or they could come form CPU lanes if you choose to configure it that way.
 
Wolverine2349 said:
Does that m,ean PCIe lanes are restricted on these and you do not get 16 Gen 5 lanes and 4 Gen 4 lanes form CPU. LAN ports being retsricted seems wierds. LAN ports are usually on chipset or they could come form CPU lanes if you choose to configure it that way.
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I never mentioned CPU lanes. What the datasheet has is an annedum for the 600 series Chipsets that says than the 3 GbE lanes from the Chipset Flex IO (Those lanes that can do PCIe or something else like SATA, and three of those can do GbE) can now be used simultaneously, and that two of the three are capable of 2.5G speeds instead of 1G. Of course you need a new Motherboard designed to use them, doesn't affects anything preexisting.
In general they are actually completely unused because everyone went with Intel i225-V/i226-V, which is PCIe, or Realtek equivalent, and I don't recall any specific example of a Motherboard that used the Chipset GbE MAC with a PHY chip.
 
zir_blazer said:
I never mentioned CPU lanes. What the datasheet has is an annedum for the 600 series Chipsets that says than the 3 GbE lanes from the Chipset Flex IO (Those lanes that can do PCIe or something else like SATA, and three of those can do GbE) can now be used simultaneously, and that two of the three are capable of 2.5G speeds instead of 1G. Of course you need a new Motherboard designed to use them, doesn't affects anything preexisting.
In general they are actually completely unused because everyone went with Intel i225-V/i226-V, which is PCIe, or Realtek equivalent, and I don't recall any specific example of a Motherboard that used the Chipset GbE MAC with a PHY chip.
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Oh ok.
 
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