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Making the case for solar power and a well made video that debunks the anti-solar propaganda.

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This is, without a doubt, the best explanation of solar power that exists today. It solidly debunks all of the anti-solar propaganda with clear facts and without attacking people.

The fact that JUST the farmland used for growing corn for Ethanol could be used to power the entire country many times over is eye opening. Not to mention a farmer switching from harvesting that corn to harvesting sunlight would make FAR more money.

This video is amazing.
 
Ranchers across the west are not signing leases for putting down wind turbines and solar panels because they are earth loving hippies. They're doing it because it's profitable and reliably so. A check showing up every month for 15 years is insanely attractive to those landowners who have wildly fluctuating costs and sale prices for their chief products.

Getting farmers into the game has been somewhat more difficult for mostly what I can tell are cultural reasons. They mostly don't see themselves as extractors which is not a problem ranchers have (they are proud of it even). Ranchers would sell the essence of Satan himself if the numbers on the check are good.
 
Ranchers across the west are not signing leases for putting down wind turbines and solar panels because they are earth loving hippies. They're doing it because it's profitable and reliably so. A check showing up every month for 15 years is insanely attractive to those landowners who have wildly fluctuating costs and sale prices for their chief products.

Getting farmers into the game has been somewhat more difficult for mostly what I can tell are cultural reasons. They mostly don't see themselves as extractors which is not a problem ranchers have (they are proud of it even). Ranchers would sell the essence of Satan himself if the numbers on the check are good.

"The Sun is a Very Magic Fellow, he shines down on me each day" - Donovan

"If the Sun or the Moon were to doubt, they'd immediately go out!" - William Blake

 
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I don’t care how good this video is—I can bet you $1000 that at least 100x more people have viewed this clip from ‘Landman’ despite the views count (look at how many times it’s been posted on YouTube over the past 18 months.)

And all these people watching and sharing will think Billy Bob’s character in ‘Landman’ is speaking facts. This is the problem with our society today. We thought the Internet would make the common man smarter—instead the common man made the Internet dumber.

 
Too bad we live in a culture that so deeply damages our self respect anything look looks like a threat. Imagine what a world full of people who hate themselves would look like if they denied they are in denial. Imagine a world that fed itself by the practice of deceptive lying.

While writing this post a notification from The Atlantic flashed across the top of my screen that somebody or other is predicting 200 dollars a barrel. Regular gas was over 5.50 a gallon in my area yesterday. I feel sorry for commuters.

I have been arguing for solar and against nuclear since I started posting here. I was told in no uncertain terms that nuclear could be plentiful and the waste safely hidden away.
I hear too we are going a wonderful up and coming El Niño year.

As above so below, as within so without. The truth is always the truth no matter the depth of the lie.
 
I don’t care how good this video is—I can bet you $1000 that at least 100x more people have viewed this clip from ‘Landman’ despite the views count (look at how many times it’s been posted on YouTube over the past 18 months.)

And all these people watching and sharing will think Billy Bob’s character in ‘Landman’ is speaking facts. This is the problem with our society today. We thought the Internet would make the common man smarter—instead the common man made the Internet dumber.

1837 Carlyle French Revolution III. i. i. “How changed for Marat, lifted from his dark cellar!‥All dogs have their day; even rabid dogs.”

Those robbed of self respect and accept that lie compose the foul who flock tofeather nests of mutual admiration. Like all new things bright and shine by which to down the spirit in time are replaced by cirrhosis of the liver.
 
Too bad we live in a culture that so deeply damages our self respect anything look looks like a threat. Imagine what a world full of people who hate themselves would look like if they denied they are in denial. Imagine a world that fed itself by the practice of deceptive lying.

While writing this post a notification from The Atlantic flashed across the top of my screen that somebody or other is predicting 200 dollars a barrel. Regular gas was over 5.50 a gallon in my area yesterday. I feel sorry for commuters.

I have been arguing for solar and against nuclear since I started posting here. I was told in no uncertain terms that nuclear could be plentiful and the waste safely hidden away.
I hear too we are going a wonderful up and coming El Niño year.

As above so below, as within so without. The truth is always the truth no matter the depth of the lie.

That is the part about energy production argument that I really don't understand. Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Geo-Thermal, Hydro are part of what I consider "green" sources of energy. Even batteries are another very important piece of that puzzle. There isn't one single source of power that is perfect in all situations. The grid needs to have power inputs from multiple different sources of power in my opinion.
 
That is the part about energy production argument that I really don't understand. Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Geo-Thermal, Hydro are part of what I consider "green" sources of energy. Even batteries are another very important piece of that puzzle. There isn't one single source of power that is perfect in all situations. The grid needs to have power inputs from multiple different sources of power in my opinion.

The US uses 30 million acres for ethanol corn production.

If you covered that area with solar/battery farms you would reliably produce 3 times more electricity than the US currently needs.

IN THE MIDWEST.

Yes, even the mediocre for solar conditions of the Midwest corn belt.

You could do much better i the southwest, of course.

But why not repurpose land ALREADY used for energy production into something much more productive?

The prairie is already destroyed. No need to destroy the deserts too.
 
The US uses 30 million acres for ethanol corn production.

If you covered that area with solar/battery farms you would reliably produce 3 times more electricity than the US currently needs.

IN THE MIDWEST.

Yes, even the mediocre for solar conditions of the Midwest corn belt.

You could do much better i the southwest, of course.

Anybody who has driven through west Texas would realize that there is no reason not to cover the whole fucking place in solar panels.
 
That is the part about energy production argument that I really don't understand. Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Geo-Thermal, Hydro are part of what I consider "green" sources of energy. Even batteries are another very important piece of that puzzle. There isn't one single source of power that is perfect in all situations. The grid needs to have power inputs from multiple different sources of power in my opinion.
Your opinion, in my opinion makes good sense. It is highly rational left brain reasoning. Nuclear produced energy’s yield, for example verses the acreage needed to produce it is dense. The resources available to produce it, like oil, will not ne exhausted on as short a time line. But besides linear left brain thinking, there is another less prized mode of thinking, the nature and product of which I believe is vital to the survival of the human race. It is a kind of knowing based on pattern recognition, experience, and feeling, a king of reasoning that is vital to keep logical thinking from going off the rails, a quiet modestly that moderates the hubris of let’s say, ‘toxic masculinity’ or pride of intellect.

There is a current, quite nonverbal and irrational, informal, not doctrinal, a gut feeling, if you will, that I have few words to categorize but can be pointed to by something expressed, or do I have heard, by Native American ethics, do nothing that can harm seven generations out. We could also maybe say, within us there is a genetically evolved predilection to love being alive that expresses itself in full bloom as the universal love of everything. It may be there to insure we instinctively protect our children.

I would call this instinct coupled with pattern recognition to be the source of powerful if irrational intransigence. So when it come to nuclear, what do people feel? If you look at the half life of nuclear materials, the corruption in corporate America, the history of nuclear accidents, the invisibility of radiation, you have a perfect target for the projection of threat. Not in my back yard. So to push for nuclear is to shovel sand against the tide. The only source that will finance it is a bought and paid for pressure by the nuclear industry financing positions with their endless hands out need to finance campaign.

It’s a real problem for sure. The left brain engineers in the AI field are in a profoundly watt hungry race to power the data centers that will have even greater linear intelligence to put us all out of jobs, so much so they want their own nuclear plants.

Did I mention that the emotional price of profound insecurity and fear in this life creates an unconscious wish to end it. We seem to be guide well along down that road, each new day more terrifying than the last. Only the fool on the hill is free.

I will post a link or refer to one I may have already posted in case you ire interested in a different way of seeing, that’s an interesting take on this matter in my opinion.
 
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My experience tells me that where misery exists it paralyzes the will to be open to change of any sort, including habituated mental states. For that reason I have seen in my time all manner of excuses by means of which we avoid any confrontation that challenges sacred beliefs. How do I know, I died trying to do just that, protect what I used to believe. I wish you the same. Owing to the unity of things failure is success and neither exist.
 
The US uses 30 million acres for ethanol corn production.

If you covered that area with solar/battery farms you would reliably produce 3 times more electricity than the US currently needs.

IN THE MIDWEST.

Yes, even the mediocre for solar conditions of the Midwest corn belt.

You could do much better i the southwest, of course.

But why not repurpose land ALREADY used for energy production into something much more productive?

The prairie is already destroyed. No need to destroy the deserts too.

Because no politician wants to tell the farmers in Iowa that it is a waste of resources to not require ethanol in fuel.

In all seriousness I do agree with you about the 30 Million acres wasted to grow corn ethanol. However the way the current grid is setup, you cannot reliably transport power from the midwest to CA. So solar tends to be more regional. I tend to focus on saying there isn't one single source of power production that is absolutely above all others. However with the price of PV panels and batteries, it is really cost effective now to plunk down a bunch of solar panels and batteries, the challenge is connecting it to the grid. People don't want power lines so any new powerlines get caught up in a wall of red-tape and environmental approvals. It then takes years or even over a decade+ to build new high tension power lines.

The one thing that deserts have a lot of is consistent days with a lot of sun and you don't have to worry about weather as much with deserts as compared.
 
Because no politician wants to tell the farmers in Iowa that it is a waste of resources to not require ethanol in fuel.

In all seriousness I do agree with you about the 30 Million acres wasted to grow corn ethanol. However the way the current grid is setup, you cannot reliably transport power from the midwest to CA. So solar tends to be more regional. I tend to focus on saying there isn't one single source of power production that is absolutely above all others. However with the price of PV panels and batteries, it is really cost effective now to plunk down a bunch of solar panels and batteries, the challenge is connecting it to the grid. People don't want power lines so any new powerlines get caught up in a wall of red-tape and environmental approvals. It then takes years or even over a decade+ to build new high tension power lines.

The one thing that deserts have a lot of is consistent days with a lot of sun and you don't have to worry about weather as much with deserts as compared.

I will say, if you look at the massive solar projects in the CA deserts that have popped up in just the last decade, I'm encouraged.
 
I will say, if you look at the massive solar projects in the CA deserts that have popped up in just the last decade, I'm encouraged.

As battery prices drop, solar gets cheaper and configuration gets cheaper. We could see more and more people just going the route of being their own power company by putting together solar+storage at home. I could see people being connected to the power grid but installing solar and storage and not even registering with the power company because they plan on doing zero export of solar.

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As battery prices drop, solar gets cheaper and configuration gets cheaper. We could see more and more people just going the route of being their own power company by putting together solar+storage at home. I could see people being connected to the power grid but installing solar and storage and not even registering with the power company because they plan on doing zero export of solar.

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Some people will do that, but that seems kind of backwards overall from a society standpoint. Economies of scale are still a thing, those items take up space that some people will not have or will not want to give up, and those things still have upfront installation costs that should be included in any return-on-investment calculation. Plus, people that live in denser areas will never have enough enough space to generate enough electricity for their overall plot.

People would probably be better served by first fully electrifying and insulating their homes before they seek out self-generation while utilities can phase in green power options and grid-level storage.
 
Some people will do that, but that seems kind of backwards overall from a society standpoint. Economies of scale are still a thing, those items take up space that some people will not have or will not want to give up, and those things still have upfront installation costs that should be included in any return-on-investment calculation. Plus, people that live in denser areas will never have enough enough space to generate enough electricity for their overall plot.

People would probably be better served by first fully electrifying and insulating their homes before they seek out self-generation while utilities can phase in green power options and grid-level storage.

That would require a lot of spending on high tension power lines tying the US grid together. Utilities don't seem to want to spend that and NIMBY's/Regulations make it difficult to construct the high tension power lines.

Yes economies of scale are still a thing. I can't tell you how many times I have heard from people that we should cover all parking lot in solar canopies before we allow farmland to be taken for solar farms. I then point out things like 30 Million acres to grow corn ethanol and how solar canopies increase cost versus just ground mount solar panels. Overall in a perfect world we have would have one national grid tied (HV DC power lines) together to transport green power as needed around throughout the US. However we seem to be running away from this as a country.

As far as denser areas, I would say the typical US single family home has enough roof space and to support enough solar panels to 100% offset electrical needs in a lot of areas of the US. Obviously this might no work as well in Maine vs Arizona. You pair this with the ability to store power, you have a winner.

The other option is community solar. I could see development in certain areas installing grid scale solar for their communities coupled with storage (microgrid). A recent development did this in Florida, Babcock Ranch.
 
That would require a lot of spending on high tension power lines tying the US grid together. Utilities don't seem to want to spend that and NIMBY's/Regulations make it difficult to construct the high tension power lines.

Yes economies of scale are still a thing. I can't tell you how many times I have heard from people that we should cover all parking lot in solar canopies before we allow farmland to be taken for solar farms. I then point out things like 30 Million acres to grow corn ethanol and how solar canopies increase cost versus just ground mount solar panels. Overall in a perfect world we have would have one national grid tied (HV DC power lines) together to transport green power as needed around throughout the US. However we seem to be running away from this as a country.

As far as denser areas, I would say the typical US single family home has enough roof space and to support enough solar panels to 100% offset electrical needs in a lot of areas of the US. Obviously this might no work as well in Maine vs Arizona. You pair this with the ability to store power, you have a winner.

The other option is community solar. I could see development in certain areas installing grid scale solar for their communities coupled with storage (microgrid). A recent development did this in Florida, Babcock Ranch.
Yes, many Americans live in detached, single-family homes. But many don't. And about 35-40% of households don't own their own home.

And though NIMBYism is a problem for some things, it is something that can be crushed through legislative processes at higher levels of government.

We don't need to reinvent the wheel here by creating new ways for power supply and delivery.
 
To permit and build new power lines takes about ten years and is costly. There is a better temporary fix:
You didn't feel like mentioning the substance in your post?

Companies such as the California-based startup TS Conductor offer a promising solution. Their advanced transmission wires replace the steel core with carbon fiber, which is twice as strong, weighs 80 percent less, and barely sags when heated. 

This allows the carbon cores to support more tightly packed, flat trapezoidal 
aluminum wires, safely transmitting two to three times as much power as conventional lines.

That's an interesting notion. Wonder how it handles outdoor weather over years.

I must say, it was difficult to get past a headline that is pimping coal and natural gas as "more reliable" and falsely presents renewables as only viable via "massive subsidizes". Those are the demonstratively false ideas and notions of MAGA Nazis and their oil barons.

And I can still only guess if carbon fiber is what you wanted to share from that.
 
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