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Trump may have Special Counsel Mueller fired

Grooveriding

Grooveriding

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rumor-trump-may-fire-mueller-sets-washington-alight-n771326

If President Donald Trump is truly thinking about firing special counsel Robert Mueller, he should reconsider and "don't waste our time," the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said Monday.

Rumors that Trump was considering firing Mueller — whom the Justice Department appointed to investigate allegations that Trump's presidential campaign may have coordinated with Russia — emerged Monday afternoon in a Washington version of the game Telephone.

The idea gained traction after Christopher Ruddy, chief executive of the conservative news site and TV network Newsmax, said of Trump in an interview on "PBS NewsHour": "I think he's considering perhaps terminating the special counsel. I think he's weighing that option."


How reliable Ruddy's comments are is open to question. He is often described as a close friend of Trump's, and reporters spotted him leaving the White House on Monday. But a source familiar with the visit told NBC News that any meeting Ruddy was to have had with the president was postponed.

Still, his remarks prompted this reply on Twitter from Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, who said the committee would simply reappoint Mueller and then advised the president: "Don't waste our time."

If President fired Bob Mueller, Congress would immediately re-establish independent counsel and appoint Bob Mueller. Don't waste our time.

— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) June 12, 2017
"I can't imagine that they're going to be crazy enough to go through with this threat," Schiff said later in an interview on MSNBC's "Hardball," adding: "I think it's just a way of raising doubts about this very good man who's respected by people on both sides of the aisle."

Ruddy himself told PBS: "I personally think it would be a very significant mistake, even though I don't think there's a justification for a special counsel in this case."

Before the rumor took on a life of its own, prominent Republicans had been questioning Mueller's mandate and his fitness to carry it out.
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This is exactly Watergate if carried out. He'd have to order the DAG who thought he was needed to remove him, likely resulting in a refusal, so he'd have to fire him until he could put someone in his position who was willing to remove him.

Nothing to hide, nothing to see here. Important to note that Mueller is not just investigating possible ties between Russia and Trump's campaign, but the Russian interference its self as well. Something Trump apparently doesn't care about either because it helped him get elected to some extent and/or because he just doesn't care about his country being attacked by Russia in that manner.

This exact move is what catalyzed bringing Nixon down. I think his party is degenerate enough they will go along. His cult supporters are far gone enough they would rather him, or people close to him, not get caught doing anything wrong.
 
First we heard that Comey and Mueller were "coordinating" Comey's testimony. Afterwards we've heard of the history the two of them have going back over a series of investigations. They like to work together as a team. When one starts to analyze the actions of the two of them separately and together it starts to become obvious that they have an agenda that is going to be foremost over everything else.

I can understand why the left would be bitter (to put it mildly) should Mueller be fired but it might be time to start getting used to it.

What we've seen of Comey in public of late is indicative of a very troubled individual. Trump absolutely made the right decision when he fired him. Comey gives every indication of a man totally unsuited to the job and most importantly from the perspective of his mental health. Factor in the way he and Mueller have tag-teamed investigations over the years and by association, Mueller must go. Impartiality on Mueller's part is actually somebody's fantasy.

I understand that all things Russia are the only hope of the left to in some form nullify an election. An election they lost and that they are absolutely unable to cope with. I also understand that the goal for the brighter within the party, those that understand the Russia angle is not only going nowhere but could circle back against them, is to tie up Congress "investigating" such that they don't have to actually do anything else that might further their chances of not being re-elected. It's become blatantly obvious what is going on. I say let them continue at their own peril.

Those that make comparisons to Watergate are fools led by the media. Watergate had to do with crimes. There are no crimes here. Just insinuation, innuendo and hope fueled by a media that controls the thoughts of so many. Fortunately that media is losing influence and their unquestioning faithful followers are looking more ignorant with every passing day.
 
boomerang said:
First we heard that Comey and Mueller were "coordinating" Comey's testimony. Afterwards we've heard of the history the two of them have going back over a series of investigations. They like to work together as a team. When one starts to analyze the actions of the two of them separately and together it starts to become obvious that they have an agenda that is going to be foremost over everything else.

I can understand why the left would be bitter (to put it mildly) should Mueller be fired but it might be time to start getting used to it.

What we've seen of Comey in public of late is indicative of a very troubled individual. Trump absolutely made the right decision when he fired him. Comey gives every indication of a man totally unsuited to the job and most importantly from the perspective of his mental health. Factor in the way he and Mueller have tag-teamed investigations over the years and by association, Mueller must go. Impartiality on Mueller's part is actually somebody's fantasy.

I understand that all things Russia are the only hope of the left to in some form nullify an election. An election they lost and that they are absolutely unable to cope with. I also understand that the goal for the brighter within the party, those that understand the Russia angle is not only going nowhere but could circle back against them, is to tie up Congress "investigating" such that they don't have to actually do anything else that might further their chances of not being re-elected. It's become blatantly obvious what is going on. I say let them continue at their own peril.

Those that make comparisons to Watergate are fools led by the media. Watergate had to do with crimes. There are no crimes here. Just insinuation, innuendo and hope fueled by a media that controls the thoughts of so many. Fortunately that media is losing influence and their unquestioning faithful followers are looking more ignorant with every passing day.
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Looks like the fanatics are starting to get their talking points.
 
So much delusion ... where to start?

First, Comey/Mueller didn't "coordinate" his testimony in the manner you portray. It was likely more along the lines of "will this interfere with anything you intend to do in the formal investigation". No? Ok then, go ahead.

Second, what of "Comey in public of late" indicates a troubled individual? Was he on live tv asking his staff for pledges of allegiance?

Third, you're right about watergate. This is far far worse. As for no actual crimes being committed, might want to get Mike Flynn's opinion on that one sparky.
 
boomerang said:
First we heard that Comey and Mueller were "coordinating" Comey's testimony.
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- Cause legal? What is this "coordinating" supposed to mean? You are assuming collusion just because it suits you? You are also questioning that the two had a proffesional working relationship? Who is doing a pro job these days anyway, right, am I right?
If you arrive at collusion this easily then I have to ask : Russia? No? Nothing there? You are buttreaming yourself with this agenda, it is not smart, unlike a box of chocolates you know excatly what you're gonna here (lube up).
 
I love how people know "there are no crimes" here; this is what the investigation--headed by a man appointed by GWB and who by all accounts has a stellar reputation--is there to find out, no? Someone should call him up! I forgot though, everything is a consipiracy and everyone's in on it....sounds a bit like the deranged warden in Shawshank Redemption.

I'm not on "the Left" and don't particularly think there's any way the election can or should be nullified. However, there are a lot of suspicious circumstances that need to be examined. I'll abide by whatever Mueller finds (or doesn't find).

Personally as long as Trump doesn't kill us all, wreck the economy or the environment (he can't stop or change the renewable energy tide) I'm happy with him being in office and dragging down the entire GOP. I dislike the Democrats but loathe the GOP in its current form. Plus I don't want either of them with full control of the govt branches (but especially not the GOP).
 
Pens1566 said:
So much delusion ... where to start?

First, Comey/Mueller didn't "coordinate" his testimony in the manner you portray. It was likely more along the lines of "will this interfere with anything you intend to do in the formal investigation". No? Ok then, go ahead.

Second, what of "Comey in public of late" indicates a troubled individual? Was he on live tv asking his staff for pledges of allegiance?

Third, you're right about watergate. This is far far worse. As for no actual crimes being committed, might want to get Mike Flynn's opinion on that one sparky.
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Might want to give Flynn that immunity now and let him sing
 
cytg111 said:
- Cause legal? What is this "coordinating" supposed to mean? You are assuming collusion just because it suits you? You are also questioning that the two had a proffesional working relationship? Who is doing a pro job these days anyway, right, am I right?
If you arrive at collusion this easily then I have to ask : Russia? No? Nothing there? You are buttreaming yourself with this agenda, it is not smart, unlike a box of chocolates you know excatly what you're gonna here (lube up).
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What's baffling is that he seems to think people about to give public testimony talking to law enforcement who are still actively investigating the issue is somehow improper instead of exactly what a responsible person would do. Also, his concern for Comey's mental health and total lack of concern for Trump's is some hilarious gaslighting.

Boomerang is seriously losing it. The worse this gets for Trump the longer and loonier his rants get.
 
boomerang said:
I can understand why the left would be bitter (to put it mildly) should Mueller be fired but it might be time to start getting used to it.
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Oh boomer, after 8 years of your never ending whining about Obama you really expect anyone to take you seriously?

Still waiting for your threads whining about how much time Trump spends golfing or on travel, etc, etc, etc.
 
boomerang said:
First we heard that Comey and Mueller were "coordinating" Comey's testimony. Afterwards we've heard of the history the two of them have going back over a series of investigations. They like to work together as a team. When one starts to analyze the actions of the two of them separately and together it starts to become obvious that they have an agenda that is going to be foremost over everything else.

I can understand why the left would be bitter (to put it mildly) should Mueller be fired but it might be time to start getting used to it.

What we've seen of Comey in public of late is indicative of a very troubled individual. Trump absolutely made the right decision when he fired him. Comey gives every indication of a man totally unsuited to the job and most importantly from the perspective of his mental health. Factor in the way he and Mueller have tag-teamed investigations over the years and by association, Mueller must go. Impartiality on Mueller's part is actually somebody's fantasy.

I understand that all things Russia are the only hope of the left to in some form nullify an election. An election they lost and that they are absolutely unable to cope with. I also understand that the goal for the brighter within the party, those that understand the Russia angle is not only going nowhere but could circle back against them, is to tie up Congress "investigating" such that they don't have to actually do anything else that might further their chances of not being re-elected. It's become blatantly obvious what is going on. I say let them continue at their own peril.

Those that make comparisons to Watergate are fools led by the media. Watergate had to do with crimes. There are no crimes here. Just insinuation, innuendo and hope fueled by a media that controls the thoughts of so many. Fortunately that media is losing influence and their unquestioning faithful followers are looking more ignorant with every passing day.
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Oh I get it. Comey is troubled and Trump is the sober sane adult. Put down the crack pipe. You do a really good parrot.
 
boomerang said:
First we heard that Comey and Mueller were "coordinating" Comey's testimony. Afterwards we've heard of the history the two of them have going back over a series of investigations. They like to work together as a team. When one starts to analyze the actions of the two of them separately and together it starts to become obvious that they have an agenda that is going to be foremost over everything else.

I can understand why the left would be bitter (to put it mildly) should Mueller be fired but it might be time to start getting used to it.

What we've seen of Comey in public of late is indicative of a very troubled individual. Trump absolutely made the right decision when he fired him. Comey gives every indication of a man totally unsuited to the job and most importantly from the perspective of his mental health. Factor in the way he and Mueller have tag-teamed investigations over the years and by association, Mueller must go. Impartiality on Mueller's part is actually somebody's fantasy.

I understand that all things Russia are the only hope of the left to in some form nullify an election. An election they lost and that they are absolutely unable to cope with. I also understand that the goal for the brighter within the party, those that understand the Russia angle is not only going nowhere but could circle back against them, is to tie up Congress "investigating" such that they don't have to actually do anything else that might further their chances of not being re-elected. It's become blatantly obvious what is going on. I say let them continue at their own peril.

Those that make comparisons to Watergate are fools led by the media. Watergate had to do with crimes. There are no crimes here. Just insinuation, innuendo and hope fueled by a media that controls the thoughts of so many. Fortunately that media is losing influence and their unquestioning faithful followers are looking more ignorant with every passing day.
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I'm at a loss of words... How does someone get this delusional and biased? What's sad is I think you are actually serious and not just trolling.
 
Grooveriding said:
Looks like the fanatics are starting to get their talking points.
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Yup. Muller was above reproach, super well respected by both sides with zero negative words to say... Until it looks like he is uncovering dirty deeds... Then , "he's just out to get Trump". Uhh... Yeah, the media, the dems, the CIA and the FBI are all in fact out to get him... Because he is a f$%cking pathological liar that is putting himself and Russia before the US and is totally unfit to be the president on many MANY levels. Good luck. The media and the dems are week and whiney, but you dont want the FBI and CIA on your case. Good luck Trump apologizes. Its going to be a tough year.
 
I suspect there is literally no chance of this happening. I can't see anyone in his admin being so stupid as to encourage this or allow it to happen. I can't see Rosenstein, who would actually have to do the firing, allowing this to happen. I think he would resign in protest first.

Then the side of me that realizes this is Trump we are talking about kicks in..... so.....
 
MomentsofSanity said:
I suspect there is literally no chance of this happening. I can't see anyone in his admin being so stupid as to encourage this or allow it to happen. I can't see Rosenstein, who would actually have to do the firing, allowing this to happen. I think he would resign in protest first.

Then the side of me that realizes this is Trump we are talking about kicks in..... so.....
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The fact that none of those shit-for-brains around that press conference table yesterday called the rest of them out on their cock-holstering tells me that yes indeed, they're all willing to encourage or allow this to happen. I don't think anyone's been obstructive enough toward trump from what I've seen to run interference for something like this.
 
Mueller is so conflicted and inappropriate that Trump had him on the short list for FBI director replacing Comey.

And let's be honest for a minute. It would be near impossible to have anyone in federal law enforcement for the last 20 years to NOT have a personal relationship with either of Comey or Mueller based on their assignments and jobs.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
I suspect there is literally no chance of this happening. I can't see anyone in his admin being so stupid as to encourage this or allow it to happen. I can't see Rosenstein, who would actually have to do the firing, allowing this to happen. I think he would resign in protest first.

Then the side of me that realizes this is Trump we are talking about kicks in..... so.....
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It could happen. Going along with your last line, I can add that Chuck Todd (Meet the Press) this morning was talking about it on the radio. He mentioned that Trump doesn't care what the media thinks or reports, he doesn't care at all about what Congress thinks on either side of the aisle, he doesn't care what the intelligence community thinks, or that the "R" party thinks... He is only acting to get support from his base which thinks he can do no wrong... So it might just happen.
 
retrospooty said:
It could happen. Going along with your last line, I can add that Chuck Todd (Meet the Press) this morning was talking about it on the radio. He mentioned that Trump doesn't care what the media thinks or reports, he doesn't care at all about what Congress thinks on either side of the aisle, he doesn't care what the intelligence community thinks, or that the "R" party thinks... He is only acting to get support from his base which thinks he can do no wrong... So it might just happen.
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I absolutely see the point in that argument. I just think (maybe hope?) that someone would sit him down and explain that it would be the last act he would take as President.

It's sad that the minimum of rationality is a far fetched hope with this man isn't it?
 
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