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[Panino Manino]

If I understood right, what I thought some days ago is right? This is a worst case scenario for Intel because by reconstructing the core AMD leave open plenty of space to add more hardware on Zen 4?

 

[turtile]

If I understood right, what I thought some days ago is right? This is a worst case scenario for Intel because by reconstructing the core AMD leave open plenty of space to add more hardware on Zen 4?

Zen 4 will likely have a completely different I/O design on GF 12nm+. I assume AMD will jump the core count on Epyc to 96 cores and keep chiplets at 8 cores with higher IPC.

 

[Tup3x]

Can we get a link to the original article ?

I dont know what Vakio or Ylikellotettu is but I can guess, what timings/frequency are those.

Im guessing the langauge is Finnish??

vakio = stock
ylikellotettu = overclocked

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Hope I can get my cl14 3800 kit stable with the new bios.

EDIT: I wonder if the IF will have a little more headroom, even though being the same IO chip. I'm able to run my kit 1:1 at 1900/3800 on my 3800X

 

[Timorous]

Hope I can get my cl14 3800 kit stable with the new bios.

EDIT: I wonder if the IF will have a little more headroom, even though being the same IO chip. I'm able to run my kit 1:1 at 1900/3800 on my 3800X

AMD have said that 2000 IF is the new 1900 of 3xxx series. They also have a new Agesa coming that should make it a bit easier to hit 2000 although it is still not a guarantee.

 

[Makaveli]

Still half:

And it's overall also half of Zen 2 since it's now one CCX instead two per CCD, and the link is per CCX.

Technically that would make a 32 core Ryzen or a 128 core Epyc possible still without changing the IOD, since on the latter half the CCX links are now unused otherwise. 🤯 But lack of space on the package likely will prevent that, or will it?


Yeah, AMD is obviously sticking to that. Actually there may have been even more activity in the background. Do you recall how Keller was supposedly involved in the planning for Zen 1-3? Now Zen 3 was the rewrite already, and with Zen 2 AMD said they backported some Zen 3 improvements. Also there is now talk about two major design teams leapfrogging each other, with the first team having done Zen 1 and 2, and now the second team being responsible for Zen 3 and 4. This makes me belief AMD skipped the Zen 3 originally planned and rolled that into Zen 2 instead (which was late due to that so AMD created the filler Zen+ for the consumer market instead).

I was under the impression it should be half also but this guys review shows him getting the same write speed as two die chips ??

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X & Ryzen 7 5800X Review - Memory Transfer Performance - AIDA64

The much-anticipated AMD Zen 3 Vermeer CPUs are finally here and we take the Ryzen 5 5600X and Ryzen 7 5800X processors for a spin to see how they compare to previous generations!

www.vortez.net

Actually after looking more into this the site above is wrong and must be some kinda copy and paste error.

This is what I see from a French site. Using 16 GB GSKILL TridendZ Neo 3600 MHz CL16-19-19-39 (FCLK 1800)

 

[mmaenpaa]

vakio = stock
ylikellotettu = overclocked

Suspiciously good knowledge of Finnish in this forum 🙂

 

[Hitman928]

Suspiciously good knowledge of Finnish in this forum 🙂

Mielenkiintoista 😛

 

[Makaveli]

God damn sneaky retailers.

This is from Canada Computers prices in CAD

Yesterday



Today's pricing

 

[Tup3x]

Suspiciously good knowledge of Finnish in this forum 🙂

Yeah, well... I might know a word or two, for obvious reason... 😎

 

[HumblePie]

AMD direct has the 5950x at $1043 even though it is sold out.

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5450881400/us?add-to-cart=true

 

[misuspita]

Yeah, well... I might know a word or two, for obvious reason... 😎

Your google translate fu is not letting you down?

 

[CakeMonster]

From the Igor's lab review, it appears that coupling the FCLK and memory clock is still necessary to get a performance increase. In his review, Zen 3 gains nearly as much as Intel does with the faster memory. Also, AMD did release a slide about memory overclocking for Zen 3:

Igor delivers again. There's in fact a difference, even at higher resolutions between the 1 and 2 CCX chips. Very interesting.

 

[Tup3x]

Your google translate fu is not letting you down?

I'm a native Finnish speaker.

 

[JujuFish]

I'm a native Finnish speaker.

You Scandinavians and your better command of English than the average native English speaker. Sheesh. 😛

 

[Hitman928]

AMD direct has the 5950x at $1043 even though it is sold out.

https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/5450881400/us?add-to-cart=true

I see $799 which is MSRP?

 

[inf64]

I'm sure someone has already posted Puget Systems review but I have to put these pictures here . When 8C/16T 5800X is so much stronger per core that it easily overtakes 10C/20T 10900K which has much higher all core and ST boosts, brutal. I doubt RCKT-S at 5Gz can overtake 5800X.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-CPU-Review-Roundup-1962/

 

[Dave_5k]

I see $799 which is MSRP?

The AMD website was screwy part of today with prices for out-of-stock 5900 and 5950 reported far above MSRP, but seems fixed now.

 

[inf64]

Eye watering MT performance as well. When a stock 16C/32T Zen3 chip on a dual channel mainstream platform utterly destroys a 4.8Ghz SKL-X 18C/36T with quad ch. memory, it's PG13 content : https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-5950x-5900x-zen-3-review

 

[thesmokingman]

Hope I can get my cl14 3800 kit stable with the new bios.

EDIT: I wonder if the IF will have a little more headroom, even though being the same IO chip. I'm able to run my kit 1:1 at 1900/3800 on my 3800X

According to level1techs 3800 is easy and 4000 took a bit of tweaking to get.

 

[Zucker2k]

Eye watering MT performance as well. When a stock 16C/32T Zen3 chip on a dual channel mainstream platform utterly destroys a 4.8Ghz SKL-X 18C/36T with quad ch. memory, it's PG13 content : https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-5950x-5900x-zen-3-review

Actually, not a bad showing for the 5 year old architecture. 😀

 

[inf64]

Actually, not a bad showing for the 5 year old architecture. 😀

Yeah, it reminds of Bulldozer 🙂 . Runs super hot, needs crazy high clockspeeds and way more cores due to a massive IPC disadvantage. Oh how tables have turned. Sad part for intel is that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, at least not in the next 12 months.

 

[Shamrock]

Anyone been over at fleabay? Selling 5600x for $450+ 😀

 

[Dave3000]

That is about right metaphor/analogy 🙂
Zen3 basically uncorks Zen2's limitations. They did make some die size investments, but at KEY areas so the impact is not large. Where it should have been large they compensated with better topology and process optimizations.


The write BW is not a limitation , that is a myth. AFAIK there are zero workloads that show bottlenecks coming from the write BW from chiplets to the IMC/IOD.

Zen3 is memory BW bottle necked in highly MT workloads, that is evident, but it's because the cores need more memory BW (not just write BW).

Okay, after my mistaken post on the phone, I did find some actual Flight Sim 2020 reviews:

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, Ryzen 7 5800X, Ryzen 9 5900X en 5950X

AMD doet vandaag zijn grootste introductie van dit jaar: de Ryzen 5000-processors voor desktops, op basis van de gloednieuwe Zen 3-architectuur.

tweakers.net

Zen3 leading in FPS and 99p but Intel ahead in 99.9p (lager is Dutch for lower).

https://www.io-tech.fi/artikkelit/testissa-amd-ryzen-9-5900x-5950x-zen-3/

Less detailed test.

Why does it show the 5950x and 10900k performing

 

[Dave3000]

Is a Noctua NH-U12A adequate for cooling a Ryzen 5800x? I purchased this cooler about 2 weeks ago to be installed in my next rig.