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Question AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU Speculation and Discussion

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cortexa99 said:
Just found the better and full marketing slide
forum.level1techs.com

According to ASUS Ryzen has P and E cores!

I’m literally just trolling. ASUS had messed up they’re webpage and I just wanted to share the silliness to somebody.
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dunno if ASUS messed it up or the correct insider material directly linked/related to AMD.
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I think someone at Asus probably just copy-pasted from Alder Lake or something. I wouldn't read much into it.
 
Could also be related to binning, one CCD binned for high frequency, the other for low leakage. Calling the resulting cores P- and E-cores may still be an ASUS PR thing though.
 
Kaluan said:
Apparently the handheld PC industry is going full speed ahead, despite no OFFICIAL world from AMD on 7040U SKUs yet.
Base clock is apparently 3,3GHz (6800U and 7735U both have it at 2,7GHz), hence 5GHz boost or slightly higher seems very likely.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1640486683543044101
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Yeah Aya have access to PHX too.

Going to be a few months before either company actually launches something with PHX though.
 
moinmoin said:
Could also be related to binning, one CCD binned for high frequency, the other for low leakage. Calling the resulting cores P- and E-cores may still be an ASUS PR thing though.
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Asus aren't that clever. It's employee laziness. I expect better from people on Wendell's website using the term "fake cores" when describing Intel products as if a core must be dual threaded to be a core.
 
ETA Prime has a early preview of Phoenix R9 7940HS/Radeon 780M in a ASUS TUF design.

DO NOTE: Early drivers/BIOS, some performance is wildly inconsistent, also crashes while allowed to go to 80W.


Seems to clock at 2800MHz in Furmark at a 45W package and he also successfully overclocked it to around 3100MHz somehow. Anyway, keep in mind, it's all on beta drivers/software.
 
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davidoliver1 said:
At this time, there is limited information available about the AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU, as AMD has not officially announced the product. However, there has been speculation and discussion about the potential specifications and features of the upcoming APU.

Based on rumors and leaks, the AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU is expected to feature a new architecture with significant improvements over previous generations. It is rumored to be built on a 5nm or 6nm manufacturing process, which could provide increased efficiency and performance. Additionally, the APU is expected to feature the latest DDR5 memory support, which could further boost performance.

The AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU is also expected to feature integrated graphics, which could provide significant improvements over previous generations. It is rumored to feature RDNA 3 graphics, which could provide up to a 50% performance boost over RDNA 2 graphics. This could make the APU a compelling choice for gaming and other graphics-intensive applications.

Other potential features of the AMD Phoenix/Zen 4 APU include PCIe 5.0 support, improved AI and machine learning capabilities, and increased power efficiency. However, it is important to note that these are all speculation at this time, and nothing has been confirmed by AMD.
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Full quotes without providing the source is considered terrible practice.
And next time, please at least post something that is not that outdated. 4nm is more or less confirmed. There are already several benchmark results available, and so on, and so forth.. .
 
Kaluan said:
ETA Prime has a early preview of Phoenix R9 7940HS/Radeon 780M in a ASUS TUF design.

DO NOTE: Early drivers/BIOS, some performance is wildly inconsistent, also crashes while allowed to go to 80W.


Seems to clock at 2800MHz in Furmark at a 45W package and he also successfully overclocked it to around 3100MHz somehow. Anyway, keep in mind, it's all on beta drivers/software.
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Doesn't seem much faster than the 680M test he did with the 6800H. The only common game with the same settings in the two videos is Fortnite, and even though the map is different, the 780M and 680M deliver similar FPS.
 
Kaluan said:
ETA Prime has a early preview of Phoenix R9 7940HS/Radeon 780M in a ASUS TUF design.

DO NOTE: Early drivers/BIOS, some performance is wildly inconsistent, also crashes while allowed to go to 80W.


Seems to clock at 2800MHz in Furmark at a 45W package and he also successfully overclocked it to around 3100MHz somehow. Anyway, keep in mind, it's all on beta drivers/software.
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Crashing may be related to the DDR5 memory appearing in current gen laptops, crashing on Raptor Lake systems using DDR5-5600 SODIMMs is extremely common too. Jarrod made a community post about it on YouTube a couple of weeks ago.
 
uzzi38 said:
Crashing may be related to the DDR5 memory appearing in current gen laptops, crashing on Raptor Lake systems using DDR5-5600 SODIMMs is extremely common too. Jarrod made a community post about it on YouTube a couple of weeks ago.
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Yep, ETA substituted the stock RAM (DDR-5 4800) with his own modules (DDR5-5600) so it's entirely possible there are some issues with that, especially with not final BIOS and firmware. Possibly one of the reasons why Phoenix got apparently a slight delay.
 
mikk said:
They launch Phoenix late April? Does it mean we won't see Phoenix device until Q3 on shelves?
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No, it already "launched". Availability seems to have slowed down though.

In Germany one model by ASUS is already readily available, but originally this should have been the case for all 8 models by late March/early April so there has been a delay of some sort at the last second.
geizhals.de

Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

Preisvergleich und Bewertungen für Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix
geizhals.de geizhals.de
 
moinmoin said:
No, it already "launched". Availability seems to have slowed down though.

In Germany one model by ASUS is already readily available, but originally this should have been the case for all 8 models by late March/early April so there has been a delay of some sort at the last second.
geizhals.de

Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

Preisvergleich und Bewertungen für Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix
geizhals.de geizhals.de
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Very slim availability. Any news about U models? I think many are waiting for some dGPU free models that are cheaper than this.
 
U was said to be available in May, probably late part of the month. Same source saying that HS line would have been available for end of April.
 
leoneazzurro said:
U was said to be available in May, probably late part of the month. Same source saying that HS line would have been available for end of April.
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AMD has not officially announced Phoenix U.

As for the Lenovo laptop... I was wrong... it uses Dragon Range actually.
 
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jpiniero said:
AMD has not officially announced Phoenix U.

As for the Lenovo laptop... I was wrong... it uses Dragon Range actually.
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Yes, it was not announced. I was referring to the fact that the same sources telling about the delay of Phoenix HS said that Phoenix U would have been announced 1st of May with availability later in the month. How trust we can put in these rumors, it is another question. Anyway, as there are already some tests floating around, and some products being hyped (including the ASUS Ally) even if not in May, the actual availability should be not so far away as many may think.
 
Thing is that a wave of hand held devices using U SKU surely eat a big chunk of the first batches :

www.notebookcheck.net

Asus ROG Ally makes Geekbench debut with a Radeon 780M GPU and a custom AMD CPU

The Asus ROG Ally handheld gaming console scored 35,489 on Geekbench's OpenCL benchmark. It features an AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme chips, a modified version of the Ryzen 7 7840U, and 16 GB of LPDDR memory.
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GPD Win Mini: New gaming handheld to target ASUS ROG Ally at around US$700

The Phawx has revealed new details about the Win Mini, GPD's answer to the upcoming ASUS ROG Ally. Supposedly, the GPD Win Mini will also combine an AMD Zen 4 and RDNA 3-based APU with a 120 Hz display but in a more portable form factor. The GPD Win Mini will launch for about as much as the ASUS...
www.notebookcheck.net www.notebookcheck.net

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AYA NEO 2S: New gaming handheld rumoured to land later this year with AMD Ryzen 7 7840U

Apparently, AYA NEO is set on releasing another new gaming handheld. Launching later this year, the AYA NEO 2S is expected to feature the AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, as well as various cooling, battery and speaker improvements. The AYA NEO 2S will do battle with various Ryzen 7 7840U-backed gaming...
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Acer laptop offering is expected for july, if anything this APU will hardly find its way on affordable laptops :

www.notebookcheck.net

Acer Swift X 16: New 16-inch laptop arrives with 3.2K OLED display with AMD Ryzen 9 7940H APU

Acer has presented an AMD Zen 4-based version of the Swift X 16. Also equipped with up to an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050 GPU, the Swift X 16 features a 3.2K OLED display within a 17.9 mm housing.
www.notebookcheck.net www.notebookcheck.net
 
moinmoin said:
Ryzen chips in laptops and affordable don't fit together in one sentence anymore since Rembrandt/Zen 3+.
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Asus hand held device is at 700$, a laptop without fancyness shouldnt be lot more, eventually RMB will be used as entry level laptops, guess that AMD could had fabbed a lot of the latter at good prices since TSMC 7nm capacitiess fell recently at 50 or even 40% utilisation rate.

www.computerbase.de

Asus ROG Ally: Handheld mit AMD Ryzen Z1 als Valve-Steam-Deck-Konkurrent

Asus kündigt den Handheld-PC ROG Ally mit AMD Zen 4 und RDNA 3 an – Konkurrenz für Valves Steam Deck. Der Preis bleibt vorerst offen.
www.computerbase.de www.computerbase.de
 
Abwx said:
Asus hand held device is at 700$, a laptop without fancyness shouldnt be lot more, eventually RMB will be used as entry level laptops, guess that AMD could had fabbed a lot of the latter at good prices since TSMC 7nm capacitiess fell recently at 50 or even 40% utilisation rate.

www.computerbase.de

Asus ROG Ally: Handheld mit AMD Ryzen Z1 als Valve-Steam-Deck-Konkurrent

Asus kündigt den Handheld-PC ROG Ally mit AMD Zen 4 und RDNA 3 an – Konkurrenz für Valves Steam Deck. Der Preis bleibt vorerst offen.
www.computerbase.de www.computerbase.de
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Asus ROG ALLY looks pretty promising. Would It be a good replacement to my i5-9300H + GTX1650 + 24GB DDR4 + 1.5TB SSD? Probably not worth It.

Advantages:
1. CPU performance would see a massive improvement, at least ST +50% and MT +150%
2. very portable, small form factor, light
3. low power consumption
4. Compatible with Steam etc.

Disadvantages:
1. IGP won't see any significant improvement compared to GTX1650, but higher Vram allocation could help.
2. I honestly doubt It will have a long battery life during gaming, but this is not that important for me.
3. 16GB DDR5 + 512GB SSD, although MicroSD slot is available
4. No kickstand
5. Windows 11 😛
6. Need to buy additional Dock for It to connect to monitor, keyboard etc.
 
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