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marees said:

EXCLUSIVE: New details on Xbox's next-gen console(s) — and Microsoft's most ambitious gaming plans ever​

News
By Jez Corden published 38 minutes ago
From AMD's claims of a 2027 Xbox, to the idea of a plurality of Xbox Gen-10 consoles — lets sift through some fresh details.

Xbox likely won't expect the kinds of volumes seen by previous generations with its first-party offering, but it doesn't need to. You can think of the next-gen Xbox similarly to how Microsoft handles Surface — a curated boutique experience in a wider Xbox hardware ecosystem. The software is the platform, and software ubiquity is the goal. But that isn't to say Microsoft is abandoning its own hand in the hardware ecosystem. In fact, it's expanding it, arguably more aggressively than ever.

Opening up Xbox to OEMs and the wider Windows ecosystem should help Xbox and its partners deliver more curated, tailor-made experiences for specific markets, across different types of users, form factors, and price points. Meeting players where they are is now the firm's primary aim, both in terms of software, but also in terms of use case scenario. In the future, you can expect a variety of Xbox devices of all shapes and sizes, from an array of traditional Microsoft OEM PC partners.

www.windowscentral.com

Exclusive: Microsoft’s 2027 Xbox could be a huge shift for the platform

AMD CEO Lisa Su commented on Xbox's next-gen yesterday, and the news took Xbox staffers by surprise. Is 2027 a lock? Here's what we know.
www.windowscentral.com www.windowscentral.com
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EXCLUSIVE: New details on Xbox's next-gen console(s) — and Microsoft's most ambitious gaming plans ever​

News
By Jez Corden published 1 hour ago
From AMD's claims of a 2027 Xbox, to the idea of a plurality of Xbox Gen-10 consoles — lets sift through some fresh details.

I've been reporting for a while that Microsoft's landing strip for the next-gen Xbox is indeed 2027. Although, I'm told Microsoft insiders were a little taken off-guard by Lisa Su's comments on the Gen 10 Xbox's timeline.

Microsoft hasn't fully, internally committed to a hard 2027 launch window for the next-gen Xbox platform, since so much of it hinges on improvements to Windows 11 and other factors. Microsoft's Windows and Xbox teams are collaborating harder than ever to get the OS into shape for a polished, console-like experience on Xbox. And thus, aren't forcing themselves to adhere to a specific hard cut off point. You can think of 2027 as the "best case scenario," but having a polished experience is the north star for Xbox.

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/exclusive-the-next-gen-xbox-2027-locked-in-most-ambitious
 
report:

Xbox boss says Microsoft's next-gen console, Project Helix, can play both "your Xbox and PC games" and will "lead in performance"​

Full Steam ahead?

"Great start to the morning with Team Xbox, where we talked about our commitment to the return of Xbox including Project Helix, the code name for our next generation console," Sharma wrote on social media.

"Project Helix will lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games. Looking forward to chatting about this more with partners and studios at my first GDC next week!"

There have been rumblings that Xbox's next console would also include the ability to play PC games. In October of last year, a report claimed the Xbox platform was evolving to encompass PC gaming, and allow users to even access PlayStation games released on PC (though, perhaps not last year's Ghost of Yotei or Housemarque's upcoming Saros, as Sony is reportedly abandoning its strategy of bringing its first-party PlayStation games to PC).

Sharma's wording today, though, does not specify which PC games Project Helix will be able to play. All new Xbox games have of course been made cross-platform with PC, so Sharma's wording does mean there's always the slight chance that's all she's referring to.

www.eurogamer.net

Xbox boss says Microsoft's next-gen console, Project Helix, can play both "your Xbox and PC games" and will "lead in performance"

Xbox has shared a brief but key update about its next generation console.
www.eurogamer.net www.eurogamer.net
 
MrMPFR said:
wccftech.com

'This is Going To Be Pretty Powerful': Next-Gen Xbox Project Helix Will Reportedly Be At Least 5x Faster In Rasterization, 20x in Ray Tracing Than Series X

The next-gen Xbox Project Helix is set to be a powerful system, delivering at least 5x faster performance in raster when it launches in 2027
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Yeah sure:
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@Kepler_L2 any chance a Xbox Magnus beats 5090 by >30% 🤣
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considering that AT2 is 9070xt successor it should be around 5080 in raster, rt, rr/pt etc.
 
I guess this is the event where they'll talk about Helix and Magnus a bit:

schedule.gdconf.com

Building for the Future with Xbox (Presented by Microsoft Xbox) | Agenda | GDC Festival of Gaming

The GDC Festival of Gaming program blends expert insight with interactive formats designed to spark ideas, sharpen skills, and connect communities.
schedule.gdconf.com schedule.gdconf.com

March 11, 10:10 PT / 18:10 GMT



MrMPFR said:
@Kepler_L2 any chance a Xbox Magnus beats 5090 by >30% 🤣
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Probably not in raster nor inference but according to MLID, AMD's internal documents on RDNA5 mention a huge boost in RT performance so it might bring 5090-like performance on path-tracing games.

Regardless, I don't think Microsoft will be targeting the 5090's performance when they claim a 5x performance uplift. Like always, these claims are probably referencing a couple of metrics that they deem important.
 
Of course, "Helix" won't be the name of the next-gen Xbox system itself. Microsoft uses a variety of codenames for its projects of all shapes and sizes. Previously we've had
  • Manhattan for DirectX
  • Midway for OG Xbox
  • Durango for Xbox 360,
  • Scorpio for the Xbox One X,
  • Anaconda for the Xbox Series X, and
  • Lockhart for the Xbox Series S.
  • We also had Kennan for the Xbox Ally handheld range last year.

www.windowscentral.com

Xbox just dropped the Project Helix codename and confirmed new hardware

Microsoft's next-gen Xbox console comes into focus, as Asha Sharma re-affirms commitment to first-party hardware.
www.windowscentral.com www.windowscentral.com

(my guess is Xbox Series X2)
 
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Xbox at GDC 2026: Build for What’s Next​

The future of Xbox starts now.
February 12, 2026
Bryce Baer
Senior Director of Xbox Ecosystem Marketing

This year, GDC takes place from March 9-13 at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco, California.

This year, for the first time, we are hosting the Xbox Dev Summit, where we’ll be presenting six sponsored sessions to help prepare attendees to build for what's next. The Xbox Dev Summit is in West Hall Room 3001/3003 and will be kicking off with Jason Ronald, VP of Next Gen, at 10:10am on Wednesday, March 11.

Wednesday, March 11​

Xbox Developer Summit Keynote: Building for the Future with Xbox
Speakers: Jason Ronald (Xbox)
Date: Wednesday, March 11
Time: 10:10am – 11:10am
Location: Room 3001/3003, West Hall

developer.microsoft.com

Xbox at GDC 2026: Build for What’s Next

The future of Xbox starts now.
developer.microsoft.com
 

With Xbox's 'Project Helix' Revealed, How Likely Is A 2027 Release Date?​

It seems pretty likely to us

Looking back, when Project Scorpio was revealed as the codename for the Xbox One X at E3 2016, the actual console ended up releasing a year and a half later in November 2017. When Project Scarlett was revealed as the codename for the Xbox Series X at E3 2019, the console again released a year and a half later in November of 2020.

If Microsoft follows the same pattern as recent consoles, then Xbox's next-gen "Project Helix" should get a release date that falls inside of November 2027. That's not to say it'll definitely happen, but it sounds like a reasonable estimate.

www.purexbox.com

With Xbox's 'Project Helix' Revealed, How Likely Is A 2027 Release Date?

It seems pretty likely to us
www.purexbox.com www.purexbox.com
 
marees said:
那么Xbox的次世代“Project Helix”发布日期应该会在2027年11月左右。这并不是说一定会发生，但听起来是个合理的估计。
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It could be sooner than expected, which is why we need to watch the RDNA 5 release window.
 
So it’s basically a prebuilt gaming PC, but less repairable or upgradable. Idk… I think I’d rather buy PC parts and build my own PC.

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the earliest mention of Helix

Sources: Smaller Xbox One Coming This Year, More Powerful Xbox One In 2017 [UPDATE]​

Keza MacDonald and Jason Schreier
Published May 25, 2016

The two consoles form part of a wider Microsoft strategy, codenamed “Project Helix” according to one source, to converge Xbox and Windows. For a while now Microsoft has been clear that they want their two prestige brands to work together, as they’ve announced big new exclusives like Halo Wars 2 and Sea of Thieves for both Xbox One and PC. Developer sources have told us that Microsoft’s new mandate is to release future games–including the flagship Halo series–on both platforms. The recently-cancelled Fable Legends, which was playable across Windows 10 and Xbox One, was one of the first games to implement this strategy.

kotaku.com

Sources: Smaller Xbox One Coming This Year, More Powerful Xbox One In 2017 [UPDATE] - Kotaku

Microsoft is preparing at least two new Xbox models for release in the next two years, sources tell Kotaku. Later this year we’ll see a cheaper, smaller
kotaku.com kotaku.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/2030482138496422047
 
marees said:
the earliest mention of Helix

Sources: Smaller Xbox One Coming This Year, More Powerful Xbox One In 2017 [UPDATE]​

Keza MacDonald and Jason Schreier
Published May 25, 2016

The two consoles form part of a wider Microsoft strategy, codenamed “Project Helix” according to one source, to converge Xbox and Windows. For a while now Microsoft has been clear that they want their two prestige brands to work together, as they’ve announced big new exclusives like Halo Wars 2 and Sea of Thieves for both Xbox One and PC. Developer sources have told us that Microsoft’s new mandate is to release future games–including the flagship Halo series–on both platforms. The recently-cancelled Fable Legends, which was playable across Windows 10 and Xbox One, was one of the first games to implement this strategy.

kotaku.com

Sources: Smaller Xbox One Coming This Year, More Powerful Xbox One In 2017 [UPDATE] - Kotaku

Microsoft is preparing at least two new Xbox models for release in the next two years, sources tell Kotaku. Later this year we’ll see a cheaper, smaller
kotaku.com kotaku.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/2030482138496422047
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I think here they are just mentioning Helix as a software, with the goal of unifying Xbox Os and Windows into 1.

Helix the hardware should be much much later down the line.
 
marees said:
sneakersso is useless

ignore everything attributed to him


https://twitter.com/x/status/2030602829073936881
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wccftech also had to walk it back

[UPDATE] - March 8, 9:48 AM] As some pointed out, UWP was deprecated in 2019, and Xbox Series X|S use containerisation technology to manage backward compatibility and system resources and enable features like Quick Resume. As such, SneakersSO may have provided inaccurate information, unless the Xbox Project Helix handles software differently than its predecessors.

wccftech.com

'It's Basically a PC That Uses The Windows Full Screen Experience': Xbox Project Helix Reportedly Will Only 'Emulate' A Console Experience

Although still considered as a next-gen consoles, the Xbox Project Helix is reportedly only going to emulate a console experience
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
The Project Helix logo resembles a DNA structure, suggesting that the next-gen system will be a hybrid of Windows and XboxOS. As for the specific hardware, Xbox will most likely save the reveal for the Xbox Showcase, though we can't rule out the possibility of them showcasing dev kits to developers at GDC.
 
marees said:
helix X (magnus AT2)
helix S (medusa premium AT4)

https://twitter.com/x/status/2030648609696616519
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That's not what he's suggesting, though. He's calling Magnus to the SOC die that pairs with AT2 for the big console, but he's suggesting Microsoft could get AMD to pair Magnus with AT3 and AT4 for cheaper and/or low-power (thus mobile) SKU.


If the whole Xbox thing really is to become just a PC using their semicustom 3xZen6 + 8xZen6c (and anemic L3), and Microsoft really wants to do a last attempt at saving the hardware side of the brand, then they'll probably need to compete with PS6 Canis at some point. Magnus + AT4 could be their way in, and Magnus+AT3 could be a cheaper alternative that wouldn't be that far below PS6 in performance if it uses LPDDR6.
 
ToTTenTranz said:
That's not what he's suggesting, though. He's calling Magnus to the SOC die that pairs with AT2 for the big console, but he's suggesting Microsoft could get AMD to pair Magnus with AT3 and AT4 for cheaper and/or low-power (thus mobile) SKU.


If the whole Xbox thing really is to become just a PC using their semicustom 3xZen6 + 8xZen6c (and anemic L3), and Microsoft really wants to do a last attempt at saving the hardware side of the brand, then they'll probably need to compete with PS6 Canis at some point. Magnus + AT4 could be their way in, and Magnus+AT3 could be a cheaper alternative that wouldn't be that far below PS6 in performance if it uses LPDDR6.
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magnus & medusa premium have similar CPU counts

so effectively he is saying that X2 is magnus & S2 is medusa premium
 
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