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thedarkwolf said:
meh truck people want the ability to tow crap 1000 miles without stopping to charge every 150 or whatever miles even though they never will. The full size should have always been an erev and they need to make a mavrick sized EV truck. It was too early and all that battery capacity should have went to the mach e and fiesta sized cheap ev. Maybe offer the full size without the range extender as a fleet truck for all the businesses that just need a truck for short range stuff and make it cheap.
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That's an accurate assessment. The vast majority will never see any actual "truck" use. I have a neighbor with a diesel dually, $6k worth of rims and huge tires on it. The bed is pristine and it doesn't have a trailer hitch.
 
Brovane said:
Did anyone who actually purchased FSD in CA make a claim that they where deceived?
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electrek.co

FSD false advertising case: Tesla must stop lying or it can’t sell cars, judge rules

Tesla engaged in false advertising for its Full Self-Driving system. Unless it fixes the issues, its license to sell in CA will be suspended.
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Looks like it was California DMV that initiated the investigation. I don't think it requires a consumer plaintiff for regulators to investigate deceptive marketing.
 
They could have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they had just said it was beta. Which, it basically is. Also, not charging 10k and a subscription fee for it, but instead making it free, would also help. You already paid like 70k+ for the car it's insane having to pay even more to use a feature that is already in it.
 
IronWing said:
100% VEGAN! (contains chicken)

It’s false advertising and Musk lies to Tesla’s investors about “FSD” as well.
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I don't think you understand there is a grey area between legal definition and a marketing term.
Tesla clearly defines that the vehicle is not fully autonomous in it's marketing.
 
Brovane said:
I don't think you understand there is a grey area between legal definition and a marketing term.
Tesla clearly defines that the vehicle is not fully autonomous in it's marketing.
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You're just advocating for marketers to be able to dishonestly create copy, regardless of the plain meaning of words.

Calling something "full self driving" and then having an asterisks everywhere to say that it isn't really "full self driving" is dishonest and we shouldn't allow such marketing copy. Why are we defending weasely practices?
 
I don't understand what the legal problem is?
Elon told us at least 5 years ago that Tesla FSD could soon drive your car coast to coast autonomously. 😛

/s
 
Brainonska511 said:
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You're just advocating for marketers to be able to dishonestly create copy, regardless of the plain meaning of words.

Calling something "full self driving" and then having an asterisks everywhere to say that it isn't really "full self driving" is dishonest and we shouldn't allow such marketing copy. Why are we defending weasely practices?
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Dont forget Autopilot.

At some points words have to mean exactly what they say.
 
Brainonska511 said:
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You're just advocating for marketers to be able to dishonestly create copy, regardless of the plain meaning of words.

Calling something "full self driving" and then having an asterisks everywhere to say that it isn't really "full self driving" is dishonest and we shouldn't allow such marketing copy. Why are we defending weasely practices?
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Fenixgoon said:
Dont forget Autopilot.

At some points words have to mean exactly what they say.
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For me I activate FSD from park in my garage and it drives me to my destination and parks itself, so isn't that FSD or Autopilot?
 
Brovane said:
For me I activate FSD from park in my garage and it drives me to my destination and parks itself, so isn't that FSD or Autopilot?
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Can it do that on all roads, in various weather and lighting conditions, without crashing, and with tesla assuming liability if the vehicle does crash?

Admittedly it doesn't have to be perfect (despite the everywhere, all the time above), but it needs to be able to avoid mistakes humans would avoid and achieve SAE L5 certification. Otherwise, its just another driver assist implementation.
 
Fenixgoon said:
Can it do that on all roads, in various weather and lighting conditions, without crashing, and with tesla assuming liability if the vehicle does crash?

Admittedly it doesn't have to be perfect (despite the everywhere, all the time above), but it needs to be able to avoid mistakes humans would avoid and achieve SAE L5 certification. Otherwise, its just another driver assist implementation.
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By your definition, Waymo vehicles are just another driver assist implementation. Is that what you intended?
 
Fenixgoon said:
No, becaus waymo isnt selling vehicles to the general public with "full self driving" capability.

It's operating a limited fleet of autonomous taxi vehicles with local government approvals.

One is very different from the other.
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Waymo is advertising to the general public that it's vehicles have "full self driving/autonomous" capability.

False advertising according to your definition of full self driving. But sure you can cover for them if you want.
 
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