AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[Fanatical Meat]

Go for it on the panel. I've never regretted getting my Acer Predator X27 IPS since the day I bought it, it always catches ooh's and aaaah's at LAN's when I take it with me due to how sharp the colors look for a 144Hz.

I need some advice from the forum, in the weeks leading up this launch I picked up a 16 GB kit of Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 CL 16 for 79.99 on a ridiculous sale ( I couldn't resist at that price) but seeing the sweet spot at 3600 CL 16 makes me consider selling this kit at face and getting the Vengeance RGB 3600 CL 16 kit but... it's over double what I paid for this kit. Basically someone talk me off the ledge of blowing an extra $130 on RAM that may offer a marginal improvement over what I already bought.

I’m going to guess the difference in performance between those two kits would be unnoticeable, synthetic test yes but real world no difference other than some trivial thing like 2%

 

[phreakwarz]

From what I have learned so far I will have to pre order the cpu of my choice days before it actually releases. So what are the chances of getting a 3700 or 3800 after day one of pre order?

 

[Elfear]

Hmm, not totally sure about that mobo since I don't know that chipset. I bought a high end gigabyte in 2012 but it wasn't a combo deal, from them. But I remember paying under market value for the board. It still works today or else I wouldn't be here.

Sorry, "C6H" is the X370 Crosshair VI Hero board.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'm thinking that "low end" X570 gives you the features of the new chip set, but not an overbuilt board for OC, so, if you *do not* want to OC, the $160 - $200 boards are going to be a good long term investment.

Looks like those boards are going to be 4-layer (possibly bad for RAM OC) but they'll have enough VRM for chips like the 3600/3600X to OC through most of their range. More cores = more problems.

Sorry, "C6H" is the X370 Crosshair VI Hero board.

FYI elmor has come out and said that the C6H should be pretty good for at least the 3900x if not the 3950x:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-...vi-overclocking-thread-4079.html#post27999140

I've seen some rumblings that Asus support for older boards has fallen off a cliff, which surprised me. I thought their long-term board support was better than ASRock's. Buyer beware, I guess?

 

[thigobr]

I really don't think we have good support from any brand anymore... Even for their "premium" boards. So it might be wiser to buy a cheaper mid-range board and just trade it later than trying to keep a premium board for longer. Unless you really need some of the features or that last 100MHz overclock counts something for you (this I think is unlikely).

 

[Chaoticlusts]

I would recommend a USB Sound Blaster as something affordable but offers good options. X-Fi 5.1 or X-Fi 5.1 Pro, I have both, grabbed them refurb / open box and have never had any issues. Work fine with Win 10.

Huh a quick search on the USB ones turned up a headphone one that drives up to 300Ω headphones for $66AUD, will have to look into that further later today, cheers 🙂. Thing I loved about my DG was it cost me all of $30AUD I think and is a dramatic improvement over onboard for driving decent headphones. The other option is seeing if I can get sound out to an external headphone amp without leaving it as basic 2 channel, having sound in games cut hard from one ear to the other is really jarring 🙁.

There was a DGX apparently, though it's long out of production now. Might poke around and see if I can find one second hand.

There's options at least. Thanks for the tip on the USB ones, always thought they cost a lot more than that (in the hundreds).

I'm thinking that "low end" X570 gives you the features of the new chip set, but not an overbuilt board for OC, so, if you *do not* want to OC, the $160 - $200 boards are going to be a good long term investment.

The $250+ plus boards are for the new "unlocked" overclocking ability of Zen2, see the 3000 series thread about that.

Yeah I will want to OC assuming Zen2 OC's reasonably without needing water/ultra premium boards. After keeping my 2500K for this long purely because of it's OC it'd feel kind of rough leaving it behind altogether. Will wait and see how reviews go but stepping down to an X470 doesn't sound unreasonable, I'm not going to be running raid0 NVMe drives and I doubt even next years GPU's will saturate a PCI-3 x16 line (likely to upgrade my GPU then, maybe this year if there's a big enough price drop with SUPER but most likely next) so unless there's some other feature I'd be missing that I really want I'd definitely trade being able to OC for that. I could justify pushing to $250 if it added some legs to my build it's probably my upper limit though, will see. All sorts of lovely choices to come, looking forward to reviews on the 7th and building in the coming months 😀

 

[Elfear]

Looks like those boards are going to be 4-layer (possibly bad for RAM OC) but they'll have enough VRM for chips like the 3600/3600X to OC through most of their range. More cores = more problems.



FYI elmor has come out and said that the C6H should be pretty good for at least the 3900x if not the 3950x:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-...vi-overclocking-thread-4079.html#post27999140

I've seen some rumblings that Asus support for older boards has fallen off a cliff, which surprised me. I thought their long-term board support was better than ASRock's. Buyer beware, I guess?

Thanks for the link! I'm anxious to see the reviews when X570 drops to see if there's any benefit over the older chipsets (besides PCI-E 4.0).

 

[Stryke1983]

So what RAM are people thinking of picking up? That slide from AMD mentioned 3600 CL16 as the best price/performance spot, but it looked like 3200 CL14 was the same.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So what RAM are people thinking of picking up? That slide from AMD mentioned 3600 CL16 as the best price/performance spot, but it looked like 3200 CL14 was the same.

I think the faster the memory the better provided latency doesn’t get too high. The slide mentioned something like “best value” ram was ddr4 3733 cas 17. Best value doesn’t mean best performance. I’ve decided to wait until there are some reviews and knowing what’s on the boards qualified list.

 

[B-Riz]

So what RAM are people thinking of picking up? That slide from AMD mentioned 3600 CL16 as the best price/performance spot, but it looked like 3200 CL14 was the same.

I'd like to try some 3600 tuned to CL14, not sure if possible.

 

[Markfw]

I'd like to try some 3600 tuned to CL14, not sure if possible.

I have several sets of 3600 cl15. They will sometmes run@3466@cl14

 

[jackstar7]

With the ASUS and MSI prices floating around, it looks like I'll be looking at the low end... because some of these prices are bananas. And I'm thinking about building with no OC in mind for anything, just stable and quiet running (hopefully).

If I can manage to keep my CPU+Board to ~$500, I'd consider that a win for this upgrade from 3770K to the modern world considering what I've already spent on Ram & M.2.

I remember AsRock typically offering a couple value options, so maybe they'll come through for us cheapskates...

Where I saw it: https://adoredtv.com/leaked-asus-and-msi-x570-motherboards-show-prices-approaching-800/
Also over here: https://www.techpowerup.com/256443/...-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story

 

[UsandThem]

Hopefully AMD doesn't get too crazy with their pricing, but even from the TechPowerUp article, it states:

Even MSI CEO Chiang's statement couldn't prepare us for the prices we're seeing for the ASUS motherboard lineup. The cheapest AMD X570 motherboard from ASUS is the Prime X570-P, which is priced at USD $159.99. Its slightly bolstered twin, the TUF Gaming X570-Plus will go for $169.99. A variant of this exact board with integrated Wi-Fi 6 will be priced at $184.99.

As long as the average builder can get a good board for $150 - $200, I think it's reasonable for what it brings. Of course prices will be higher at launch (just like Intel), but within 6 months, I bet there will be some "low-end" X570 boards in the $120 - $130 range. Then whenever AMD decides to launch the B550 chipset, there will be even lower priced options for those looking for them.

It all just depends on what the legit reviewers tell us on July 7th. If AMD's next CPUs are as good as they are hinting they will be, I think the value will be there regardless of the motherboards being pricier than what AMD boards have typically gone for the last 15 years compared to Intel's offerings.

However, if the CPUs don't live up to the hype, there's going to be a lot of unsold enthusiast level boards getting BIG price reductions. That said, the motherboard manufacturers must be sold on the CPU's performance or they would not being making so many top-of-the-line models.

 

[jackstar7]

That said, the motherboard manufacturers must be sold on the CPU's performance or they would not being making so many top-of-the-line models.

Yeah, the sheer number of SKUs across vendors and at all these various strata certainly paint a flattering picture of what Ryzen 3XXX-series is going to deliver for us.

I also think the pricing suggests even more SKUs coming down the line in the 550 variants perhaps with their own strata of features.

 

[maddie]

Yeah, the sheer number of SKUs across vendors and at all these various strata certainly paint a flattering picture of what Ryzen 3XXX-series is going to deliver for us.

I also think the pricing suggests even more SKUs coming down the line in the 550 variants perhaps with their own strata of features.

If the B550 & A520 chipsets only support PCIe 3, then why do they exist? What other possible features would make them more desirable that the 4xx series chipsets?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If the B550 & A520 chipsets only support PCIe 3, then why do they exist? What other possible features would make them more desirable that the 4xx series chipsets?

Probably better power & memory compatibility
Plus improved smart cache and other BS that nobody cares about

 

[jackstar7]

Probably better power & memory compatibility
Plus improved smart cache and other BS that nobody cares about

I do care about the memory support. That's a factor driving me to the X570 family in the first place. My modest desires are for 3200 support without OC. If we get any leaks about the B550 series supporting that, then I might hem and haw for a bit longer before picking a board.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I do care about the memory support. That's a factor driving me to the X570 family in the first place. My modest desires are for 3200 support without OC. If we get any leaks about the B550 series supporting that, then I might hem and haw for a bit longer before picking a board.

Same here, I like the idea of pcie 4 but I don’t like the fan and I don’t like the extra cost for something that just makes me feel good having. Realistically there will be no perceivable difference for my type of usage.
I mainly want a 570 board for the improved memory support but I’d be happy if those memory improvements apply to the 470 or 450 boards.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I am not a big budget builder like some of you. It's going to be 3200mhz for me and whatever they OC to. The return on investment just isn't there for the really fast stuff.

 

[thigobr]

New boards will support PCIE4 for the lines coming from the CPU (of course this is manufacturer/project dependent). Only the slots fed by the chipset will be limited to PCIE3 protocol for the B550/A520. To support the new version even from the CPU lanes the boards need new re-drivers , switches, and trace engineering.

 

[B-Riz]

Same here, I like the idea of pcie 4 but I don’t like the fan and I don’t like the extra cost for something that just makes me feel good having. Realistically there will be no perceivable difference for my type of usage.
I mainly want a 570 board for the improved memory support but I’d be happy if those memory improvements apply to the 470 or 450 boards.

I imagine there is a physical layout component / additional design considerations that had to be implemented to run the high frequency memory that cannot be back ported to an already made board.

A good X570 board costs what it costs for a reason; human hours spent developing and testing still have to be paid for.

I *could* see better memory support with Zen2 on lower boards, but that would be because the chip has a new memory controller on it.

Frankly, all this hate on PCIE 4 is strange; did everyone complain when ISA was going away and PCI was coming in? Or PCI disappearing and AGP coming in? Or AGP disappearing and PCIE coming in?

Like, so many people here are angry about technological progress and the cost associated with it now.

A mid to high end PC has never ever ever been cheap; let's all go back and re-calculate the 2019 dollars costs of 1980's Apple computers / 8088 computers.

 

[Markfw]

Frankly, all this hate on PCIE 4 is strange; did everyone complain when ISA was going away and PCI was coming in? Or PCI disappearing and AGP coming in? Or AGP disappearing and PCIE coming in?

Like, so many people here are angry about technological progress and the cost associated with it now.

A mid to high end PC has never ever ever been cheap; let's all go back and re-calculate the 2019 dollars costs of 1980's Apple computers / 8088 computers.

My 1985 PC was a leading edge, it was cheap for the time, when the IBM 8088 was $3000 with black and white dosplay, and 5 1/4 floppy and 256 meg memory (640 was an upgrade). And I got the same thing in my leading edge for $1500. That was at least $2500 in todays dollars. For that I can build a nice threadripper system.

 

[maddie]

I imagine there is a physical layout component / additional design considerations that had to be implemented to run the high frequency memory that cannot be back ported to an already made board.

A good X570 board costs what it costs for a reason; human hours spent developing and testing still have to be paid for.

I *could* see better memory support with Zen2 on lower boards, but that would be because the chip has a new memory controller on it.

Frankly, all this hate on PCIE 4 is strange; did everyone complain when ISA was going away and PCI was coming in? Or PCI disappearing and AGP coming in? Or AGP disappearing and PCIE coming in?

Like, so many people here are angry about technological progress and the cost associated with it now.

A mid to high end PC has never ever ever been cheap; let's all go back and re-calculate the 2019 dollars costs of 1980's Apple computers / 8088 computers.

So you don't think margins are increasing on these new boards? Well, good for you.

 

[jackstar7]

Now rumors of X590 boards... gee whiz.

 

[PhonakV30]

X590? We have another tier ?