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Iranian Revolution in 2022/2026?

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-How many people were killed?

According to Amnesty, 82 people have been killed, with 66 losing their lives on September 30 alone, including three children.

The protest "was bloodily suppressed by security forces. It has since been named Zahedan's 'Bloody Friday'," said Norway-based group Iran Human Rights (IHR).

Influential Sunni cleric Molavi Abdol Hamid charged that "a group of officers... opened fire Friday evening on a crowd that gathered around a mosque, killing and wounding multiple young people".

But state media has put the death toll from the events at 20, including six members of the security forces.


this was last friday, a massacre
 
Jaskalas,

You really prefer millions of people to die because you don't like their beliefs, their leaders and their way of life?

Kinda sums up why Native Americans were slaughtered and why Blacks continue to be treated like chit on this continent.

I just don't see anything positive that came out of the invasion of Iraq or the civil war in Libya. You are thrilled because Iraq is supposedly "hanging on by a thread?"

Iraq did not pose a threat to the U.S. How many of the 9-11 hijackers were Iraqi?

Human Life is precious. But we in the West destroy it for political, financial and racial excuses.
 
I am sure some of those guards have sisters, aunts and nieces. Maybe even some older Moms are in the crowds.
 
Lezunto said:
Jaskalas,

You really prefer millions of people to die because you don't like their beliefs, their leaders and their way of life?
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WTF are you going on about? There must have been a failure to read my post(s).

I criticized our actions across the Arab / Muslim world, and I mocked the idea that positive outcomes were derived from our action(s).
The heck do you imagine you are replying to?
 
Jaskalas said:
You forgot the positive outcome part.
Iraq is hanging in by a thread.
Libya is just another Afghanistan of tribal warlords, last I heard.
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You did mention there was a positive outcome to U.S. invasions and interference in the internal affairs of Arab and Muslim nations. But I never saw any. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks, but the Bush II administration broadly hinted that it had.

The Bushies kept up this lying drumbeat until it managed to convince even the most reluctant individual in Congress that destroying Iraq was the proper thing to do. Because Saddam Hussein was evil. Bush II didn't know there was a difference between Shi'ites and Sunnis. But a whole lot of people were evil to George W. Bush. Hugo Chavez and of course, John Kerry.

Make sure you add anybody who demanded proof of those mythical Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Nearly everything the U.S. did in the Middle East was to ensure its own hegemony, protect its main oil source and lately, to follow Israel's dictates. Why the slop was the invasion of Iraq even needed? Because Saddam punished Kuwait, whose leaders believed the oil under the sands of Iraq was actually theirs?

Why do the birdbrains in Washington think that bombs, missiles and the starving of national populations through sanctions represent great foreign policy? It dosen't. It's the export of irrational race hatred and a belief that only your culture and desires count.

And it will continue.

The United States has no right to dictate what type of government a people should have and how they choose their leaders. Especially when the U.S. makes a mockery of Equality and its own so-called Right to Vote.
 
Lezunto said:
You did mention there was a positive outcome to U.S. invasions and interference in the internal affairs of Arab and Muslim nations. But I never saw any. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks, but the Bush II administration broadly hinted that it had.

The Bushies kept up this lying drumbeat until it managed to convince even the most reluctant individual in Congress that destroying Iraq was the proper thing to do. Because Saddam Hussein was evil. Bush II didn't know there was a difference between Shi'ites and Sunnis. But a whole lot of people were evil to George W. Bush. Hugo Chavez and of course, John Kerry.

Make sure you add anybody who demanded proof of those mythical Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Nearly everything the U.S. did in the Middle East was to ensure its own hegemony, protect its main oil source and lately, to follow Israel's dictates. Why the slop was the invasion of Iraq even needed? Because Saddam punished Kuwait, whose leaders believed the oil under the sands of Iraq was actually theirs?

Why do the birdbrains in Washington think that bombs, missiles and the starving of national populations through sanctions represent great foreign policy? It dosen't. It's the export of irrational race hatred and a belief that only your culture and desires count.

And it will continue.

The United States has no right to dictate what type of government a people should have and how they choose their leaders. Especially when the U.S. makes a mockery of Equality and its own so-called Right to Vote.
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I think you missed the sarcasm.
 
On ABC Network News tonight they said that people in Iran's oil industry were siding with the protestors. This could come to something.
 
Virginia Rep Gerry Connolly had a great take on this.

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The path Iran went down 40 years ago is the same path the US will take if we embrace Christian fundamentalism.
 
I watched HBO's documentary of the 1979 hostage crisis and revolution. Amazing how many parallels there are to how the current government behaves like the last one did just before the revolution.

The biggest question is if some leadership will emerge to push the anger that is there into effective action.
 
Jaskalas said:
Do we have any modern examples of a Muslim nation having a positive outcome following the overthrow of their government?
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Lezunto said:
Dubya will claim Iraq was one and Obama might say Libya was.
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Jaskalas said:
You forgot the positive outcome part.
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Meaning, Iraq and Libya do not count. As I had earlier stipulated a positive outcome in my argument that these things do not end well.
  • Iraq hanging by a thread is a waste of all that blood and is certainly not positive.
  • Libya being a tribal warlord wasteland is certainly not positive.
The odds of a happy outcome in Iran where the people can be free of violent, oppressive, tyranny is really thin. Even if the government is overthrown, do not expect a "good guy" to replace them. Call me a pessimist.
 
Few Arab nations have been able to conduct their affairs without the seedy and often vile interference of outsiders.

But let's ignore all of that.
 
Jaskalas said:
Meaning, Iraq and Libya do not count. As I had earlier stipulated a positive outcome in my argument that these things do not end well.
  • Iraq hanging by a thread is a waste of all that blood and is certainly not positive.
  • Libya being a tribal warlord wasteland is certainly not positive.
The odds of a happy outcome in Iran where the people can be free of violent, oppressive, tyranny is really thin. Even if the government is overthrown, do not expect a "good guy" to replace them. Call me a pessimist.
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The disagreement I have is simply that I would omit the word "Muslim" in your original comment. It seems rare for social collapse and revolution anywhere to lead to anything definitively 'good'. The fundamental problem seems to be that the only forces strong and resolute enough to overthrow an ensconced oppressive regime, are the very people you don't want running the regime that replaces it.

I mean look how useless and ineffectual the Mensheviks were compared to the Bolsheviks, or how doomed were the hopes of the liberal intellectuals in the original 1979 Iran revolution, or what happened in Iraq and Syria, or what followed the French revolution. Personally I'd suggest even the American and English revolutions didn't turn out exactly flawless (as the American Indians and the Irish respectively might point out).
 
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Jaskalas said:
Meaning, Iraq and Libya do not count. As I had earlier stipulated a positive outcome in my argument that these things do not end well.
  • Iraq hanging by a thread is a waste of all that blood and is certainly not positive.
  • Libya being a tribal warlord wasteland is certainly not positive.
The odds of a happy outcome in Iran where the people can be free of violent, oppressive, tyranny is really thin. Even if the government is overthrown, do not expect a "good guy" to replace them. Call me a pessimist.
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I think in general, muslim or not, the overthrowing of a government generally has low odds of being replaced with a successful one shortly after.
 
Jaskalas said:
A mob tosses the police.
The military murders the mob.
Peace in the Middle East / Arab / Muslim world.

Always has been.
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Que part 2.
When the military is loyal to the boss.....

Iran Votes to Execute Protesters, Says Rebels Need 'Hard Lesson'
It is unclear when the executions will be carried out, but the task will potentially be significant. As of Thursday, CNN reported, about 14,000 people had been arrested in connection with the recent protests. On Tuesday, Carnegie Endowment fellow Karim Sadjadpour said the number was nearing 15,000. ​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1589916990751518721
 
So the hardliners are calling for mass executions

iranintl.com

Court In Iran Issues First Death Sentence For A Protester

A Revolutionary Court in Iran has issued the first death penalty against a protester and another court sentenced five others from five to 10 years in jail each.
iranintl.com iranintl.com

Mass protests have just started

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592606896955224065

there had been reports previously that the hardliners had sentenced over 14k to death which has since been attributed to a viral campaign (Trudeau had even tweeted it and since deleted it)
 
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Lezunto said:
Iran already had its Gorbachev.

Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi , the Shah of Iran, and his repressive regime brutally ruled most aspects of life in Iran. Over time, disenchantment and anger over his 41-year long dictatorship spawned massive protests against his government inside Iran and out.

After the Shah was diagnosed with cancer, President Jimmy Carter allowed the stricken dictator into the U.S. for treatment in 1979. Iran erupted in rage and we all know what happened.

Iranians stormed the U.S. Embassy and a year long nightmare ensued.

Here's the bottom line: Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who had spent the last 15 years in exile, returned to Iran. He became the Holy leader of the rebels and religious mullahs took over the country.

For all intents and purposes, he was Gorbachev to Iran's rebels.

We just don't view him that way because we are conditioned to judge regimes and nations by the number of shopping centers, automobiles, industries and banks. And numbers of folks showing up to vote in contrived election contests.
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looks like they just firebombed their Gorbachov's house/museum

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593431207265665025
 
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