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Iranian Revolution in 2022/2026?

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Brovane said:
It isn't like Iran will ever be forthcoming with how many of their own citizens they killed suppressing dissent.

Enough to see the country of Israel "obliterated"?
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Where did I say I wanted Israel obliterated? I don't want them getting anymore influence over the region - their evil creation is literally the main reason the middle east is a powder keg.
 
pauldun170 said:
Keep in mind that the same observations occur in some US cities among specific segments of the population about the Trump regime. Same for Israel.
Many people I know hate Netanyahu and have protested in the streets.

Yet....
Here we are.
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I agree like I said it's anecdotal but you saw the scale of the protests this time, and every few years going back 15-20 yrs...the people really don't like the regime. From my interactions with Iranians, I think they'd be fine if they were left alone by the regime, but they've infected every part of their lives that matter especially the economy, it's basically become a kleptocracy where the majority of wealth goes to the leaders (Mojtaba Khamanei supposedly has a nice real estate portfolio in London, UK) and the IRGC. The sanctions of course have not helped the average person one bit, but if your gov't motto is "Death to America/Death to Israel", how can the world at large be expected to play nice with you?

My 80-90% don't support the regime figure comes from lots of talking heads (including ones that appear to be "neutral" and are not supportive of this latest military action) and my own interactions with Iranians since I'm married to one (this is from people inside and outside Iran). Also if you do a google search on it, this figure is widely cited. You can argue Google is western media I suppose, but not sure where else to get this data.

Analytical Report on “Iranians’ Political Preferences in 2024” – Gamaan

gamaan.org gamaan.org
From 2024, from a Dutch non-profit. First "good" google link I could find.
 
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MrSquished said:
Where did I say I wanted Israel obliterated? I don't want them getting anymore influence over the region - their evil creation is literally the main reason the middle east is a powder keg.
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Thanks for that! I confess I thought the same. When the screaming dies down, context thrives.

And context is everything, and everything is complicated.
 
MrSquished said:
Where did I say I wanted Israel obliterated? I don't want them getting anymore influence over the region - their evil creation is literally the main reason the middle east is a powder keg.
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How is the Israel's alive today at fault for the creation of the creation of Israel in 1947?
 
Brovane said:
How is the Israel's alive today at fault for the creation of the creation of Israel in 1947?
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I didn't say that. I merely made a factual statement about the creation of Israel - it was created on evil - ethnic cleansing and religious extremism.

The current Israelis, well most of them, not all obviously, are guilty of treating the Palestinians like second class citizens in an apartheid state for decades, and now for ethnic cleansing and genocide, and supporting this war, and being a bunch of religious fundamentlist loons that believe they are the chosen people who this land belongs to because of some ancient mythology. They are fucking nuts and the majority support evil.

I'd like to see the Palestinian state include the West Bank minus all Israeli settlements that have been made there, ever. And all of Gaza. I wish it could be a bit more but that is not reasonable.
 
nakedfrog said:
It can only good happen!
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The odds of a nuke getting dropped just went up. If the ground war starts and goes shitty, as it will, then the nuke use will go up exponentially.

I do expect the US and Israel to commit insane amounts of war crimes if a ground war happens. I mean they are already guilty but it will be nuts.
 
MrSquished said:
I didn't say that. I merely made a factual statement about the creation of Israel - it was created on evil - ethnic cleansing and religious extremism.

The current Israelis, well most of them, not all obviously, are guilty of treating the Palestinians like second class citizens in an apartheid state for decades, and now for ethnic cleansing and genocide, and supporting this war, and being a bunch of religious fundamentlist loons that believe they are the chosen people who this land belongs to because of some ancient mythology. They are fucking nuts and the majority support evil.

I'd like to see the Palestinian state include the West Bank minus all Israeli settlements that have been made there, ever. And all of Gaza. I wish it could be a bit more but that is not reasonable.
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The Jews, Like all other people motivated by selfish interests, victims of being used as an excuse to blame them for blocking others self interest followed up their liberation form such oppression with a selfish wish to be treated special and rewarded their own country as a unique religious state instead of the sacred work of being recognized as human by good works. Instead of good will they created envy and hate, doing to others exactly what was done to them, ghettoizing another culture and religious persuasion. As has been proven thousands of times in history, those who divide and decide who is worthy will fall by the same ax. In time the Jewish state will disappear like the great King Osymandias.
 
Brovane said:
How is the Israel's alive today at fault for the creation of the creation of Israel in 1947?
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Do the people today settle for peace?
With their strength over Gaza, do they indiscriminately slaughter, do they target woman, children, reporters, doctors, medics, aid workers, etc?

To the point, Israel claiming territory from Syria and 14% of Lebanon is a good place to start. That the people today are guilty of. The war of conquest to expand their borders does not appear to end.
 
MrSquished said:
I didn't say that. I merely made a factual statement about the creation of Israel - it was created on evil - ethnic cleansing and religious extremism.
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That is not a factual representation of what happened. Still if you remove the word factual you are entitled to your opinion no matter how warped it might be.
 
you2 said:
That is not a factual representation of what happened. Still if you remove the word factual you are entitled to your opinion no matter how warped it might be
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Israel was founded on religious mythology of ancient history that that was their holy land. Yeah, you can't get more religiously nutso fundamentalist than that. A magic guy in the sky ancient religious mythology says we own this shit, now gtfo our land! Insane and evil.

It was created by immediately removing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes to ethnically cleanse in order for Zionists to move in. The Palestinians have a name for the day of ethnic cleansing - Nakba.

I mean it can't get any clearer than that.

Israel is the pure evil of Western colonialism mixed in with Zionist religiolus extremisim, add in a bit of ethnic cleansing, and voila, you have one of the singular most evil creations in Western modern history, that has helped set back the world so far back, creating a powder keg in the middle east, and including setting back the progress of Western nations like the US due to extremist ZIonist influence over our politics and shutting down progressives who wanted systemic change for decades, because they acknowledged the evil of Israel over the Palestinians.
 
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redpill said:
Well, f*ck. Now would be a good time for someone to have a stroke, much as I hate to say that. All I see are coffins draped in the stars and stripes :cry:

I really don't care much about Iran, except for keeping it from getting a nuclear weapon. Geez.
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You dont care that we are bombing other people for no reason? Thats pretty shitty.

That we are getting our own people killed is adding insult to our self-inflicted injury.

The bodies will continue to pile up fpr this country's decision to elect a demented old fool
 
Fenixgoon said:
You dont care that we are bombing other people for no reason? Thats pretty shitty.
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I didn't say that. Where did you get that from?

I guess, to be clear, normally I don't care what's going on in Iran. Yes, they are a repressive regime - particularly for women. But if they are not bothering us, then I don't really care for us to be involved. Same with Saudi Arabia. I don't want the US to be the world's police force, or some sort of expeditionary force for democracy.

Please don't put words in my mouth in the future. This whole situation is FUBAR and I don't want anyone to die because of it.
 
redpill said:
Well, f*ck. Now would be a good time for someone to have a stroke, much as I hate to say that. All I see are coffins draped in the stars and stripes :cry:

I really don't care much about Iran, except for keeping it from getting a nuclear weapon. Geez.
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I have yet to see any evidence that they were reaching to move out of threshold status, despite what the admin has blurted out that appear to be thin lies. Though I would be now for sure if I had a small centrifuge cascade tucked away somewhere the US/Israel did not know about it. Hard to argue with North Korean success as far as preventing US regime change attempts.
 
K1052 said:
I have yet to see any evidence that they were reaching to move out of threshold status, despite what the admin has blurted out that appear to be thin lies.
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I agree. What Iran has been trying to do is be within reach of getting a nuke, but not quite there so that this sort of thing wouldn't happen. That is my understanding of their strategy. If war looked imminent, they wanted to be 3 months away from having a working bomb. That's why the JCPOA could have worked (we will never know).

The problem was that Iran, stupidly, funded Hezbollah and Hamas with the specific aim to be a thorn in the side of Israel. That miscalculation has cost Iran. They miscalculated Israel's paranoia and that the US would have a president as obsequious to Israel's requests as DJT.

Even if we get out, Israel has said it won't. How special.
 
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