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Question Is the cost of RAM going up everywhere?

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jpiniero said:

Now there's Fake RAM so you can think you have more ram.
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There's been fake RAM since DDR4
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coercitiv said:
Because they just opened up the gates for state sponsored competition. CXMT will meet some needs tomorrow, more needs next year, and before you know it the mem manufacturers will be fighting subsidized RAM and NAND suppliers and crying for help.
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The companies that focus primarily on enterprise eventually die off. Which spells trouble for Samsung, Hynix, Micron. A good product makes good balance in all categories, and selling it for AI vendors mean you don't worry about one factor - price.

It's interesting that it's through the DRAM market China will wedge themselves in the computing market. I'm all for it. There should be consequences for being greedy.

I don't have a side in any of them. They are all Epstein elite run at the top.
 
Jeebus I was looking at some RAM for someone to upgrade their PC. Holy Cr-p! I happen to go on a bit of a buying binge around Feb-March 2025, bought a bunch of new and used DDR4 and DDR5 about $300 worth at the time. Seriously thinking about selling some of it! 😛😱
 
I built the wife a new desktop PC over the holidays and moving from AM4 to AM5 would have been about $250 more for slightly better performance, so I reused the DDR4 3200 she had from the old system. I am glad I also upgraded a lot of our storage last year with new nvme ssd's and storage ssd drives as today the cost would be nuts.
 
esquared said:
RAM cosplay.
Seriously. Who would actually do that?
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There are a lot of gamers that are obsessed with aesthetics. They don't like having empty ram slots so they will put the dummy sticks in to fill them up.

I posted a few months back in this thread about buyers getting scammed with these. It led to r/PCMR PSAs showing the contacts to help shoppers keep from falling for the scam.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
There are a lot of gamers that are obsessed with aesthetics. They don't like having empty ram slots so they will put the dummy sticks in to fill them up.

I posted a few months back in this thread about buyers getting scammed with these. It led to r/PCMR PSAs showing the contacts to help shoppers keep from falling for the scam.
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I'm a weirdo, but one of my favorite things about RAMBUS was the necessity for C-RIMMs.
 
If this is true what Techpower up writes "Memory Makers Expect Shortages to End in Late 2028, Could Pause Expansion Plans" most computer owners who want or need to upgrade are going to have tough time.
 
Dragonetti031 said:
If this is true what Techpower up writes "Memory Makers Expect Shortages to End in Late 2028, Could Pause Expansion Plans" most computer owners who want or need to upgrade are going to have tough time.
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I see you've been having trouble with the spam filter, so I'll post that link for you:

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Memory Makers Expect Shortages to End in Late 2028, Could Pause Expansion Plans

Memory manufacturers are forecasting that memory shortages will persist until the end of 2028, when the supply chain balance is expected to be restored and memory will once again reach its commodity status. However, according to the South Korean Chosun Biz newspaper, memory manufacturers are...
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DZero said:
So, if China decides to flood the market with cheap RAM, they won't do anything? If that so... I see that they are given up on consumer.
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The big three don't care about consumers, and have consistently shown that to be the case since the AI crap started.

And, I personally don't think China will do that. If nothing else, the Chinese are in the business to make money and they can make a hell of a lot more of it selling memory to the AI companies that don't have memory contracts than they can by selling to consumers. That is, at least until the AI bubble pops.

Sure, it will help some in the long run, but I don't see China helping consumers as much as everyone believes they will.
 
Steltek said:
The big three don't care about consumers, and have consistently shown that to be the case since the AI crap started.
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The big three?! No billionaire cares about you. The chinese guy involved in pig butchering scam that was arrested recently was kidnapping people and making them work brutally hard under threat of death. My brother got scammed by a person working under his organization. He told me the guy that scammed him apparently had his arm chopped off.
Steltek said:
And, I personally don't think China will do that. If nothing else, the Chinese are in the business to make money and they can make a hell of a lot more of it selling memory to the AI companies that don't have memory contracts than they can by selling to consumers. That is, at least until the AI bubble pops.

Sure, it will help some in the long run, but I don't see China helping consumers as much as everyone believes they will.
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Actually in the short run, the Chinese can focus on the consumer market to corner it, while the Rich country companies are blinded by the AI revenue, so when it crashes everything can be Chinese.
 
Last fall the wife's laptop keyboard had some keys that were causing her problems. Her older laptop was still working but was on the low end for W11. It had auto-upgraded to 11, but with only 8 GB, it was struggling. I ordered another stick of DDR4 to bring it up to 16.
Paid $22 for it. Out of curiosity I looked it up today, and the same 8 GB stick of DDR4 is now $72
 
MtnMan said:
Last fall the wife's laptop keyboard had some keys that were causing her problems. Her older laptop was still working but was on the low end for W11. It had auto-upgraded to 11, but with only 8 GB, it was struggling. I ordered another stick of DDR4 to bring it up to 16.
Paid $22 for it. Out of curiosity I looked it up today, and the same 8 GB stick of DDR4 is now $72
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I had a very similar experience. I bought an additional 8 GB DDR4 for my computer from Amazon. $19 for the dimm in November.
I happened to check a month later when Amazon
messaged me saying if I wanted another, it's now $63.


Ha ha.
Just checked on Amazon and it's now $82.87.
 
DZero said:
And here we go with Google TurboQuant!
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TurboQuant: Redefining AI efficiency with extreme compression

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This allow to reduce the RAM used for AI.

And this... is the consequence. Let's wait until the RAM starts to normalize the prices
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Not necessarily. Making it more efficient often causes capital to invest even more in machines because the return on investment becomes even higher. I.e. in a market with high demand for slop, if the slop generated per bit of memory goes up, then memory becomes even more valuable for Google et al.
It's more likely than you think.
 
gdansk said:
Not necessarily. Making it more efficient often causes capital to invest even more in machines because the return on investment becomes even higher. I.e. in a market with high demand for slop, if the slop generated per bit of memory goes up, then memory becomes even more valuable for Google et al.
It's more likely than you think.
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Wall Street hype is what's driving the demand though. Lower chip/ram sales will kill the hype.
 
jpiniero said:
Wall Street hype is what's driving the demand though. Lower chip/ram sales will kill the hype.
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Remains to be seen. The point is that - in isolation - further quantization alone isn't enough to limit memory demand. There must be other limits. E.g. limited demand for slop, limited power, limit to increase supply of logic wafers. These exist, sure, but it remains to be seen if these limits are enough to reduce demand for memory despite it becoming more effective.
 
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