Question x86 and ARM architectures comparison thread.

[poke01]

Keep in AMD and Intel will introduce SME-like extension that is shared between cores to client in 2 years and Geekbench will support it. So all you x86 fans better shut up now about SME.

 

[poke01]

1. Optimized MacOS vs Windows (current a mess)
2. 16k paging on ARM(Apple) vs 4k paging (x86, other ARM CPU's) (According to google 16k paging is 5-10% faster depending on workload, Link-https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/07/transition-to-16-kb-page-sizes-android-apps-games-android-studio.html)
3. Better node for ARM(Apple, Qualcomm) which translate to lower power draw
4. Not running the same binary
5. Also lets not forget thing like if SoC==Benchmark Software's favourite brand than Score = Score+(5-10)%

All of this is pure BS.

Why? Apple CPUs were also tested on Linux and performance was the same or better. So go troll elsewhere

 

[johnsonwax]

Why not? For ideology or money anyone can do anything. SPEC consortium is not free of those.

Pretty impressive they built that bias in 3 years before the M1 was even announced.

 

[poke01]

Pretty impressive they built that bias in 3 years before the M1 was even announced.

You can see the source code as well. So clearly that person is upset that x86 is losing.

 

[gdansk]

Keep in AMD and Intel will introduce SME-like extension that is shared between cores to client in 2 years and Geekbench will support it. So all you x86 fans better shut up now about SME.

I will not. AMX units separate from the core is just as pointless to add to a CPU benchmark. Removing AES was great. Adding support for matrix accelerators separate from the core was a mistake. Nice way of nearly immediately making GB6 composite more dubious than it needed to be. But at least when Intel and AMD game their composite scores - the only bit reported by every "tech journalist" - will be perhaps more comparably bogus.

 

[poke01]

I will not. AMX units separate from the core is just as pointless to add to a CPU benchmark. Removing AES was great. Adding support for matrix accelerators separate from the core was a mistake. Nice way of nearly immediately making GB6 composite more dubious than it needed to be. But at least when Intel and AMD game their composite scores - the only bit reported by every "tech journalist" - will be perhaps more comparably bogus.

Well you better get used to it. These companies will find always find ways to game benchmarks. I agree with you, its just always harping on about SME/AMX is annoying.

 

[MerryCherry]

If nothing else that shows the Oryon 2 M being well handled by the A725.

Even the A19-E core isn't that much of an improvement over A725 in INT workloads, and A18-E is beaten by the A725 in both INT and FP!! 😮

Quite pleasantly surprised by that info!

specifically the implementation by Xiaomi in their Xring O1 chip. They apparently used custom designed cell libraries and a bunch of other tricks.

The A725 in Mediatek isn't that good.

 

[MerryCherry]

M2 and M3 are pretty old now, why is there only a single data point for each?

So why does the M4 review do the same thing? There's a line for the Qualcomm chip but no Apple chips. Are they trying to draw attention toward the 8 Gen3?

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edit: and the iPhone 17 review video. All the Apple chips have a dot and all the Android chips have a line.

I'm guessing he never wrote the script to get the data points to draw the curve.

I mean, if your focus is on x86/Android, then the x86/Android curves are useful and Apple Silicon is this 'oh yeah, there's also this thing which suggests what's possible'.

This probably has to do with the fact that they need to crack the OS to draw the lines (by setting custom clock speeds). The Android results were obtained by rooting the phones I believe, and the results for x86/X Elite was obtained through Linux/WSL. Jailbreaking iPhones is hard these days, and only M1/M2 have Asahi Linux support.

 

[soresu]

specifically the implementation by Xiaomi in their Xring O1 chip. They apparently used custom designed cell libraries and a bunch of other tricks.

The A725 in Mediatek isn't that good.

MTK seems to just coast on minimalist implementations.

As for Xiaomi they are risking.... er.... people getting annoyed with them for being too good at their jobs going by the history with Huawei.

 

[511]

Keep in AMD and Intel will introduce SME-like extension that is shared between cores to client in 2 years and Geekbench will support it. So all you x86 fans better shut up now about SME.

My problem is not the SME Cluster it's that they are part of ST benchmark that's about it