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A call to boycott Nvidia games for ATI/AMD owners

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mosox said:
Wow, it seems that the Nvidia Focus Group members are busy today. Can anyone explain the bench I posted or not?
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Did you happen to even read the text below the graph you linked to?

We have always considered Civ 5 an interesting game both for its near-complete use of the DX11 feature set, and because of its interesting performance characteristics. 2 weeks ago we called it CPU limited based on the fact that once we had sufficiently powerful cards, AMD and NVIDIA results tended to clump together despite any difference in their respective cards’ speed. With the Forceware Release 265 drivers, NVIDIA has blown this assumption apart, with NVIDIA’s more powerful cards launching ahead at 1920 and lower. We appear to be quite GPU limited on the NVIDIA side all of a sudden, which is about as drastic change as we could expect. Furthermore NVIDIA is holding their cards close to their chest on this – they’ve obviously found a wonder optimization, but they aren’t ready to say what it is.
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There was a huge improvement in the game's performance on Nvidia cards when using the most recent drivers released with the gtx560.

Old drivers: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/17 used when the gtx570 was released
New drivers: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4135/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-ti-upsetting-the-250-market/9 used when the gtx560 was released

Nvidia cards got a huge performance boost. Before the latest drivers, all the cards were virtually tied in performance in the section of the game you are linking to. This has absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the game on AMD cards. What else do you have to complain about that can be easily explained and refuted?
 
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mosox said:
Come on, we're smarter than that no matter what the Nvidia shills are posting.
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Since when was it smart to assume that all these developers are getting loads of money from nVidia so they can purposely cripple their own games on a large portion of their user base?
 
mosox said:
Just look at the bench.
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Why yes if one card is faster than the other it is clearly because the game is crippled for the slowe card. What a logical leap.

It cant be each company has a different arch with different strengths and weaknesses.
 
Can we also boycott Burger King for their french fries while we're at it. I think Mcdonald's are far superior. Perhaps the Mciddies Shills slipped over to Camp Burger King and changed their recipe, because their french fries certainly don't taste as good.
 
sandorski said:
No.
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+1

i buy what i want.

*goes hugz his 580GTX* 😉


Have you ever thought.. maybe people buy Nvidia cards, because they run better on the games they want to play?
Instead of just boycotting the game you want to play.
 
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mosox said:
Is that game CPU limited? No, it's not. Is that game GPU limited? No, it's not. You can't explain a GX 460/768 being better than a HD 5870. You can't explain a GTX 560 being better than a HD 5970, that's ludicrous.

Come on, we're smarter than that no matter what the Nvidia shills are posting.
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It's called different architectures.
 
FIRESTORM007 said:
Can we also boycott Burger King for their french fries while we're at it. I think Mcdonald's are far superior. Perhaps the Mciddies Shills slipped over to Camp Burger King and changed their recipe, because their french fries certainly don't taste as good.
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Arby's has the best fries.
 
Genx87 said:
Why yes if one card is faster than the other it is clearly because the game is crippled for the slowe card. What a logical leap.

It cant be each company has a different arch with different strengths and weaknesses.
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Can you explain the bench or not? Please enlighten us. How come a GTX 460/768 is better in full HD than a HD5870? Can you explain the minimal differences between the AMD cards as opposed to the Nvidia ones?

It's not like game developers didn't do this before:
http://www.techpowerup.com/104868/B...nables-AA-Only-on-NVIDIA-Hardware-on-PCs.html
who cares about the (ignorant) customers anyway?
 
mosox said:
can you explain the bench or not? Please enlighten us. How come a gtx 460/768 is better in full hd than a hd5870? Can you explain the minimal differences between the amd cards as opposed to the nvidia ones?

It's not like game developers didn't do this before:
http://www.techpowerup.com/104868/b...nables-aa-only-on-nvidia-hardware-on-pcs.html
who cares about the (ignorant) customers anyway?
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I explained it look at my last post in this thread

EDIT: For your convenience, since you can't figure it out for yourself. http://socialtechwork.com/showpost.php?p=31171998&postcount=51
 
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mosox said:
Can you explain the bench or not? Please enlighten us. How come a GTX 460/768 is better in full HD than a HD5870? Can you explain the minimal differences between the AMD cards as opposed to the Nvidia ones?

It's not like game developers didn't do this before:
http://www.techpowerup.com/104868/B...nables-AA-Only-on-NVIDIA-Hardware-on-PCs.html
who cares about the (ignorant) customers anyway?
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It's been explained a lot already. Game rendering is more complicated than you would like to admit. Graphics cards are fundamentally all about optimization during rasterisation. The method has a great deal of impact on the performance. If a developer doesn't know how to optimize the game properly on some cards, they won't run at their "potential". Bear in mind, a card's potential isn't just about the HARDWARE but also how well the SOFTWARE is coded. It doesn't prove that the coding is INTENTIONALLY bad, just bad in general, for that particular hardware.
 
Man, poor me 🙁 I can't enjoy BFBC2 or Hot Pursuit or Metro 2033 or BioShock 2 🙁 Playing Hot Pursuit and BioShock 2 at 60FPS all maxed was such a terrible terrible experience! Or maybe my Radeon is magical, yeah, that's it! I'm sure it's a GeForce in disguise!
 
I think it's funny that the OP left out Batman: Arkham Asylum, as that is one game that DOES have known differences that favor NV cards...
 
mosox said:
Even with the old drivers the 460/768 was better than the HD 5970/6970. In full HD. That's quite a record for Nvidifying a game.
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Wow. Just wow. You failed to deduce from the graphs that with the drivers being used, the game is severely CPU limited???? The 5850 is less than 10% slower than the 6970, and when crossfired the 5850 outperforms the 6970. Also every crossfired config is faster than every SLI config. Is that Nvidifying too?

DRIVERS
DRIVERS
DRIVERS
DRIVERS

You lose. I still give up.
 
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I do find it strange how the 5870 outperforms the 6970 in civ 5, a game that features heavy tesselation, despite the fact that the 6970 effectively has twice the tesselation power of the 5870.

The hawx2 results I don't find all that surprising, though. It should be common knowledge that fermi has a much more powerful tesselation engine than even the 6900 series; Seeing as how the game's graphics is just a crappy compilation of excessive geometry + shitty low res textures and nothing on the screen other than mountains and distant dots (enemy aircraft), it's understandable how the nvidia cards perform much better.

I don't think there's any foul play in this case, and I expect all future releases of this genre (flight sim) that feature tesselation to perform better on fermis then on the 6000's.
 
No, Nvidia being involved in coding the games has nothing to do with the results. It just happens that way. Coincidence I tell ya.
 
mosox said:
While the corporations have the right to tweak their products as much they want, the end user has the right to decide what he buys or not.

This is an incomplete list of companies/games that not only exploit the Nvidia strengths but also cripple the ATI/AMD cards on purpose.

Ubisoft - Assassin's Creed
HAWX1&2
Capcom - Lost Planet 2
EA Digital Illusions
- Battlefield: Bad Company 2
- NFS
4A Games - Metro 2033
Digital Extremes - BioShock 2
Capcom - Lost Planet 2
Cryptic Studios - Star Trek Online

Look at this bench:
http://i.imgur.com/S2GTL.png
It's ludicrous

S2GTL



Stop buying their products, period.
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THANK YOU.. Now i finally get to use this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlDo-T5rHLk
 
mosox said:
Is that game CPU limited? No, it's not. Is that game GPU limited? No, it's not. You can't explain a GX 460/768 being better than a HD 5870. You can't explain a GTX 560 being better than a HD 5970, that's ludicrous.

Come on, we're smarter than that no matter what the Nvidia shills are posting.
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Accusing other AT forum members of being shills without any evidence used to be a bannable offense because it was considered a call-out. Not sure if this is still the case. I'm sure idc will visit this thread soon enough, and we'll see how he feels about this.

Also, generally the burden of proof is the responsibility of the accuser, not the defendant.

If I were presented with some sort of reasonable evidence of some wrongdoing on any company's part, I would have no problems boycotting them and I do boycott some companies. However, you need to present your case a little bit better if you want to gain any support.

Just to put this into perspective, NVIDA and ATI settled a price fixing suit against the two of them to the tune of $1.7M http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54969

Yes, that's correct they agreed to pay $1.7M between the two of them to settle a dispute alleging they conspired with each other to screw over customers... Yet, I still buy cards from both of them because they are the best at what they do. You have a long way to go before you'll be able to convince people to boycott NVIDIA because you can't explain benchmark results.
 
Continuity28 said:
Since when was it smart to assume that all these developers are getting loads of money from nVidia so they can purposely cripple their own games on a large portion of their user base?
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If you new what The way it's meant to be played is all about. It's about Nvidia sending heavy lifter code guys to help the game developers. And for a game developers 90% of the cost is the coding.
 
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