Where can I buy a coffeelake 6 core?

[Burpo]

BHPhoto also has a deal on a similar i7-8700 system.. Ships 7-14 days

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...cpg_battlebox_essential_desktop_computer.html

 

[LTC8K6]

ShopBLT still seems to say 10/26 and 11/2 for Coffee Lake.

Interesting note is that they have a lot more of the K chips on the way than they have pre-orders to fill, but for the 8700, they have way more pre-orders than they have chips on the way.

8100 and 8350K are in short supply and they don't have many on the way, either.

http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=723546900&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=COFFEE+LAKE&search=Search

 

[WildW]

UK store Novatech.co.uk have 8700K (showing 15 in stock) if you fancy paying £464 ($600 US) for one.

Overclockers.co.uk have 8600K (showing 10+ in stock) at £279

 

[SangamonTaylor]

ShopBLT still seems to say 10/26 and 11/2 for Coffee Lake.

Looks like they have started to push their dates, that said 10/23 and 10/26 over the weekend.

 

[phillyman36]

Newegg just charged my card for the i7 8700k pre order

 

[wilds]

My friend bought a pre built with an i7 8700k inside it. I am not a huge fan. I don't wanna spam the link I already posted it in another thread.

But the price was decent for the specs I think. He was ready to give up hope and go Z270 so he was very happy to get it. I still think building is always the way to go! patience and vigilance!

 

[Edrick]

The new standard CPU is 8 cores but Intel hasn't caught up yet. Coffee Lake 6 core was supposed to be Intel's big deal, but its just a mid ranger now since 8 cores are mainstream. I expect Intel to launch an 8 core mainstream CPU in 2018 and when that happens, 8 cores will be the new quad cores for both Intel and AMD buyers. 6 cores is honestly just a strange stop gap, mid range, half way there kind of thing in today's CPU market. 6 cores are still plenty though for most stuff, but 8/16 offers the kind of headroom that the original Core i7 offered people when it first came out. It was so overpowered it was crazy. It blew everyone away and people used the i7 920 for like, well some are still using it. The 8/16 CPU's will be like that again.

I am not sure how you define mainstream, but going by the generally accepted definition, 8 cores is not the standard. Not yet anyways. Not when the cheapest Intel 8 core CPU/MB/RAM combos alone are over $1K.

 

[slashy16]

The new standard CPU is 8 cores but Intel hasn't caught up yet. .

Until those "mainstream" Ryzen 8 core processors can perform at the level of an I7 in everyday tasks they wont be anything more than a gimmick to average users.
The mainstream is 4core and it will stay that way for some time. I do a ton of work in vMware workstation/vsphere and a 8700k will be more than enough. I'm not
willing to sacrifice per core performance for a couple more threads.

 

[pcslookout]

Until those "mainstream" Ryzen 8 core processors can perform at the level of an I7 in everyday tasks they wont be anything more than a gimmick to average users.
The mainstream is 4core and it will stay that way for some time. I do a ton of work in vMware workstation/vsphere and a 8700k will be more than enough. I'm not
willing to sacrifice per core performance for a couple more threads.

Exactly.

 

[whm1974]

Until those "mainstream" Ryzen 8 core processors can perform at the level of an I7 in everyday tasks they wont be anything more than a gimmick to average users.
The mainstream is 4core and it will stay that way for some time. I do a ton of work in vMware workstation/vsphere and a 8700k will be more than enough. I'm not
willing to sacrifice per core performance for a couple more threads.

I agree and the vast majority of gamers who have quad core i5/i7 CPUs are not going to upgrade to 8 core Ryzens or even to Coffee Lake anytime soon.

It will cost me ~$400 to $500 to upgrade to an 6 and 8 core CPU, and I wouldn't see that enough benefit for what do with my system to be worthwhile to even bother.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Great discussion at all, but it still doesn't help the OP get the CPU he wants. Unless he just got impatient and bought a 7740x instead?

 

[thxdd]

Have pre-orders now at both BLT and B&H (hope B&H ships first since I got it there for much cheaper!).

 

[moonbogg]

I am not sure how you define mainstream, but going by the generally accepted definition, 8 cores is not the standard. Not yet anyways. Not when the cheapest Intel 8 core CPU/MB/RAM combos alone are over $1K.

The 8/16 CPU is the new standard. It can't be stopped or avoided. Not possible. Know why? Ryzen 2 will be the same 8/16 config and will be in the low $300's again, yet will be faster and have higher clocks than current Ryzen chips. Intel knows exactly what's coming and they can't rest on their 6 core mainstream chips and expect that to save them.
8/16 is an even doubling from 4/8, just like 4 cores was an even doubling from dual cores. It makes sense as the spiritual and mathematical successor to the accepted mainstream configuration. It will be fast and affordable so anyone offering anything less than a highly performant 8/16 CPU will be selling it in the $200-ish or less price segment as a mid ranger.

 

[PeterScott]

The 8/16 CPU is the new standard. It can't be stopped or avoided. Not possible. Know why? Ryzen 2 will be the same 8/16 config and will be in the low $300's again, yet will be faster and have higher clocks than current Ryzen chips. Intel knows exactly what's coming and they can't rest on their 6 core mainstream chips and expect that to save them.
8/16 is an even doubling from 4/8, just like 4 cores was an even doubling from dual cores. It makes sense as the spiritual and mathematical successor to the accepted mainstream configuration. It will be fast and affordable so anyone offering anything less than a highly performant 8/16 CPU will be selling it in the $200-ish or less price segment as a mid ranger.

What a biased load of claptrap. 8 cores really only matter, if you do a lot of rendering of some kind.

This summer I put together a dual core system for a relative and they will be good with that for years.

 

[whm1974]

What a biased load of claptrap. 8 cores really only matter, if you do a lot of rendering of some kind.

This summer I put together a dual core system for a relative and they will be good with that for years.

Yes your relative will do just fine with that for a basic system. I think Moonbogg is full of crap with the 8c/16t as the "New Standard", as Intel just released the 6 core i5/i7 Coffee Lake. Come to think of it, Intel will most likely be selling boatloads of Coffee Lake i3-8100 for budget systems as the cheaper motherboards come out.

 

[crashtech]

Until those "mainstream" Ryzen 8 core processors can perform at the level of an I7 in everyday tasks they wont be anything more than a gimmick to average users.
The mainstream is 4core and it will stay that way for some time. I do a ton of work in vMware workstation/vsphere and a 8700k will be more than enough. I'm not
willing to sacrifice per core performance for a couple more threads.

A "couple" generally means two, but Ryzen 7 offers four more threads than an 8700(k), or double the threads of the instantly obsolete 4C/8T i7's, which is the reason it remains a compelling choice for some workloads, especially given Coffee Lake's poor availability, which borders on a paper launch.

 

[IEC]

What a biased load of claptrap. 8 cores really only matter, if you do a lot of rendering of some kind.

This summer I put together a dual core system for a relative and they will be good with that for years.

Or if you like running a VM or two... or if you like streaming while gaming using OBS... or if you like to run certain scientific software packages, or really, any number of other legitimate scenarios where 8 cores is very nice.

the bogg may take hyperbole to the moon, but there's no need to go to the other extreme.

 

[crashtech]

What a biased load of claptrap. 8 cores really only matter, if you do a lot of rendering of some kind.

This summer I put together a dual core system for a relative and they will be good with that for years.

2C/4T I hope, 2T really is outdated and takes significant maintenance and diligence on the part of the user for good results.

 

[arandomguy]

Relative comparison in terms of throughput -

8 is

100% more than 4
33% more than 6

This assumes all units (cores) are the same. In this case we know they are not. I'm not going to venture into that minefield, so individuals can just assign whatever value they feel is acceptable to them.

However if we assume they are the same, 100% parallelized workloads have a 100% and 33% benefit respectively. If you drop down to 90% parallelization that speed up drops to 53% and 18% respectively.

 

[PeterScott]

However if we assume they are the same, 100% parallelized workloads have a 100% and 33% benefit respectively. If you drop down to 90% parallelization that speed up drops to 53% and 18% respectively.

And if your 6C CPU can run 25% faster, that 18% advantage turns into a disadvantage, which is what we often see with 6C CL vs 8C Ryzen.

Or if you like running a VM or two... or if you like streaming while gaming using OBS... or if you like to run certain scientific software packages, or really, any number of other legitimate scenarios where 8 cores is very nice.

the bogg may take hyperbole to the moon, but there's no need to go to the other extreme.

We are talking about what is "standard".

Your use cases are also part of a tiny minority, not the mainstream. How many people are running multiple VMs or computing intensive scientific software?

If you want to do OBS live streaming, all video cards support using Video card HW to encode, to do with negligible overhead. The main reason to do live streaming with CPU cores is to create the "problem", that the 8 core "solution" is in search of.

This is nothing more than another thread derailment by an overzealous AMD fan.

 

[arandomguy]

And if your 6C CPU can run 25% faster, that 18% advantage turns into a disadvantage, which is what we often see with 6C CL vs 8C Ryzen.

Well I wanted to avoid that specific mine field comparison but I provided the numbers and individuals can be the judge of what they feel the deficit in that area is. Amdahl's law isn't debatable, exact differences between the cores of the respective CPUs being discussed is a mine field.

If you want to do OBS live streaming, all video cards support using Video card HW to encode, to do with negligible overhead. The main reason to do live streaming with CPU cores is to create the "problem", that the 8 core "solution" is in search of.

This is nothing more than another thread derailment by an overzealous AMD fan.

I'm not so sure of that. There is a question of quality differences given lower bit rate limitations for live streaming. I'm hoping we have more updated look at this comparing software vs hardware encoding for streaming purposes given better modern hardware encoders (Quicksync as Intel includes this, or NVENC as I believe Nvidia's invested more into this area with recent generations) with some test site. Gamer's Nexus for example has looked at game streaming recently from a performance aspect but not this side.

Of course the other consideration of this is whether less than 8 core CPUs have enough overall throughput for this task and that any issues is more due to thread scheduling issues which can be somewhat worked around via prioritization settings. I've seen data to suggest this.At least in terms of overall throughput for h264 encoding the new i7 6/12s have quite comparable (if not better) than some 8 core alternatives.

 

[IEC]

And if your 6C CPU can run 25% faster, that 18% advantage turns into a disadvantage, which is what we often see with 6C CL vs 8C Ryzen.

We are talking about what is "standard".

Your use cases are also part of a tiny minority, not the mainstream. How many people are running multiple VMs or computing intensive scientific software?

If you want to do OBS live streaming, all video cards support using Video card HW to encode, to do with negligible overhead. The main reason to do live streaming with CPU cores is to create the "problem", that the 8 core "solution" is in search of.

This is nothing more than another thread derailment by an overzealous AMD fan.

While I wait for the delidded i7-8700K to come back in stock at SL I don't think it's unreasonable to respond to irrational exuberance.

Your original claim was that 8 cores only matter if you are doing rendering of some kind. I presented counterexamples. You scoffed at them.

My point is that there is a best tool for every job. Despite how great the i7-8700K is, it's still not the best tool for every job. It's why I own (and have owned) a lot of different processors from both major CPU makers. For my applications, that meant 100% Intel for a decade until Ryzen came out.

As for streaming, the reason to use software encoding with OBS is because you can get much better quality for a given bitrate. For example, for Twitch you are limited by the ingest servers in your bitrate, meaning using OBS to broadcast to Twitch is the preferred method of streaming. This is not even counting the additional functionality that OBS offers that is valued by even casual streamers (e.g. overlays, PIP).

The sooner I can get my hands on an i7-8700K, the sooner I can answer the question of whether or not it will be capable of meeting my needs for a dedicated gaming + OBS streaming machine.

 

[PeterScott]

While I wait for the delidded i7-8700K to come back in stock at SL I don't think it's unreasonable to respond to irrational exuberance.

Your original claim was that 8 cores only matter if you are doing rendering of some kind. I presented counterexamples. You scoffed at them.

Your main counter example was live streaming. Which IS VIDEO RENDERING.

Also I think the quality differences between NVenc and x264 is overblown. NVidia keeps improving each generation. Here is a GTX 980 vs x264 live stream render comparison.

In the first half at lower bitrate, they both look like garbage, but in the latter part at 3500 KBps, they look watchable, but similar level of artifacts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKqo6XFHag

Even if you can spot some minor artifact difference somewhere, that only applies to Live Streaming. If you are capturing for later upload, you can just boost the bit rate way up and post process to have better than either solution.

 

[slashy16]

My point is that there is a best tool for every job. Despite how great the i7-8700K is, it's still not the best tool for every job. It's why I own (and have owned) a lot of different processors from both major CPU makers. For my applications, that meant 100% Intel for a decade until Ryzen came out

Actually, the I7 8700K overclocked is better at pretty much anything compared to all Ryzen CPU's. You need to look at Threadripper if you want something better than the 8700K from AMD. There are very few niche cases where an 8core ryzen will beat an 8700k by enough of a margin to sacrifice all of that ST performance.
It's great that a 1800x might slightly edge out a 8700k in these niche tasks but, how many users really want that benefit at the expense of hobbling every other task they do? I was considering a Ryzen1800x for my home workstation(vSphere\HYPV) and was almost willing to put up with all of the Ryzen's issues but, then the 8700k came out.

AMD Has had 8core processors in the market for years under $100 no less and no one wanted them. Ryzen's in the current form is just a repeat of this. When Ryzen2 comes out next year and the clock speeds get close to Intel's offering I can see AMD becoming interesting to non-penny pinchers.

 

[VirtualLarry]

AMD Has had 8core processors in the market for years under $100 no less and no one wanted them. Ryzen's in the current form is just a repeat of this

You're FoS. BullDozer was almost universally panned as a crap architecture, even by most of their fans.

Ryzen is way, way, better. IPC around Haswell to Broadwell (and even faster, in Cinebench). The only issue is one of process (mfg) - it currently has around a 4Ghz ceiling. So Intel currently has a frequency advantage. Expect most of that advantage to be gone, once Ryzen starts shipping on 12nm (soon).