Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[MS_AT]

Yay, somebody in marketing acknowledged people do compile code 😉 What is even more surprising is that marketing is not pushing (yet) the gaming angle, I would say, that's (for now) impressive.

 

[gdansk]

Yay, somebody in marketing acknowledged people do compile code 😉 What is even more surprising is that marketing is not pushing (yet) the gaming angle, I would say, that's (for now) impressive.

It's not impressive. It's simply not any faster in games. Hard to sell 1-2%.

 

[inquiss]

Yay, somebody in marketing acknowledged people do compile code 😉 What is even more surprising is that marketing is not pushing (yet) the gaming angle, I would say, that's (for now) impressive.

Why would you expect gaming to be improved? Them not marketing gaming is right on what you'd expect.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Good one, AMD. Great way to rain on Intel's Arrow Refresh parade 😀

 

[MS_AT]

Why would you expect gaming to be improved? Them not marketing gaming is right on what you'd expect.

I have not expected any substantial improvements for gaming (if you check my post history), that's the point. I was afraid they will mindlessly throw gaming in there.

So half-jokingly I said I am impressed by the fact they did not choose to shoot themselves in the foot by marketing it to gamers😉

 

[LightningZ71]

While I understand why they didn't, I still think this would have made a better Epyc 4XXX SKU instead...

 

[eek2121]

It's not impressive. It's simply not any faster in games. Hard to sell 1-2%.

Certain productivity uploads see up to a double digit uplift.

I plan to get one as soon as I am able.

 

[gdansk]

Certain productivity uploads see up to a double digit uplift.

I plan to get one as soon as I am able.

Even in AMD's own cherry-picked slides there is no double digit uplift. 🤡

 

[coercitiv]

So Intel markets a productivity CPU to gamers and AMD markets a gaming CPU for productivity. Peak 2026 so far.

 

[Abwx]

Even in AMD's own cherry-picked slides there is no double digit uplift. 🤡

13% is also single digit.?..

AMD stealthily releases Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 with 192 MB L3 cache

AMD’s long-rumoured dual-X3D CPU is finally here. The Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 is the first consumer-grade CPU to come with 3D V-cache on both CPU tiles, and it will be available for purchase in April.

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[gdansk]

13% is also single digit.?..

AMD stealthily releases Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 with 192 MB L3 cache

AMD’s long-rumoured dual-X3D CPU is finally here. The Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 is the first consumer-grade CPU to come with 3D V-cache on both CPU tiles, and it will be available for purchase in April.

www.notebookcheck.net

Oh wow, my bad. Enjoy your double digit SPEC Workstation subset gains.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Oh wow, my bad. Enjoy your double digit SPEC Workstation subset gains.

Mind you this is at a higher socket power.
It's a sucker's refresh (AMD always does them before nextgen launches).

 

[adroc_thurston]

It also normalizes 200W (270W sPPT) parts for the upcoming OMR.
So there's that.

 

[gdansk]

Mind you this is at a higher socket power.
It's a sucker's refresh (AMD always does them before nextgen launches).

Oh sad. I didn't know they changed the power limit.

It also normalizes 200W (270W sPPT) parts for the upcoming OMR.
So there's that.

Tragic.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I didn't know they changed the power limit.

They always do on DT with those silly refreshes.
I think 3800XT was like that too in prep for Z3.

Tragic.

Meh, 50% moar cores is 50% more cores.
AM5 is the great equalizer anyhow (hello thicc IHS).

 

[Abwx]

It also normalizes 200W (270W sPPT) parts for the upcoming OMR.
So there's that.

9950X is 170W TDP and 200W PPT, the 1.35x ratio is no longer effective, the 9950X3D2 should top at 230W PPT like the 7950X.

 

[adroc_thurston]

9950X is 170W TDP and 200W PPT, the 1.35x ratio is no longer effective, the 9950X3D2 should top at 230W PPT like the 7950X.

200W strap says 270W sPPT right in their docs bossman.
Good luck cooling that with AM5, though.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Screw me specifically, I guess.

You purchased RAM? NOW????

That's like paying and requesting, "Please screw me".

 

[Abwx]

200W strap says 270W sPPT right in their docs bossman.
Good luck cooling that with AM5, though.

230W is the AM5 max power, so there wont be any of your invented 270W since that would be asking for big troubles for existing MBs s reliability.

 

[adroc_thurston]

230W is the AM5 max power, so there wont be any of your invented 270W

a) it ain't
b) it is 270W.

since that would be asking for big troubles for existing MB s reliability.

They'll throttle on VRMs just fine.

 

[Abwx]

a) it ain't
b) it is 270W.

They'll throttle on VRMs just fine.

We ll see on reviews, and no, VRMs throttling doesnt make sense, that would be non guaranted perfs,
AMD wont make the mistake of releasing a CPU that is not fully compatible with existing MBs, this would
be counterproductive commercialy wise, better is to make sure that whoever has an AM5 MB can upgrade
straight fowardly.

 

[gdansk]

230W is the AM5 max power, so there wont be any of your invented 270W since that would be asking for big troubles for existing MBs s reliability.

AMD doesn't list the PPT anywhere for this part (nor price) BUT this is the first part to list a 200W TDP. All previous 9950X/7950X variants are 170W TDP but ranged from 200-232W PPT. TDP doesn't necessarily mean PPT increased, so we will see. But it seems more flaming hot ASRock motherboards are coming soon?

 

[Doug S]

LOL after waiting almost 8 months for this 9950X3D2 to release so I could upgrade to AM5, going through all the ridiculous increases in RAM prices, last week I finally purchased the 9950X3D + motherboard + RAM.

Screw me specifically, I guess.

So I gotta ask. Why?

If you've been waiting this long for 3D2's marginal gains, why wouldn't you continue to wait for Zen 6?

 

[poke01]

So I gotta ask. Why?

If you've been waiting this long for 3D2's marginal gains, why wouldn't you continue to wait for Zen 6?

Why would any sane person buy this cpu? It WILL get outdated within 8 months. The dual cache is such a niche feature that only the most ardent of AMD fans will buy it.

 

[gdansk]

Why would any sane person buy this cpu? It WILL get outdated within 8 months. The dual cache is such a niche feature that only the most ardent of AMD fans will buy it.

Well, there's a niche for it for new systems from now until NVL bLLC and Z6 X3D launch. I guess this is a very small market and even smaller now due to memory shortages. And I suspect it'll be very hard to justify at whatever price AMD wants for it.